Is there a black version of Ghengis Khan or Alxander the Great?

[Sukairain]

Tariq ibn Ziyad

 

[Sukairain]

But come to think of it, there is perhaps no greater military commander in history than Toussaint L'Ouverture. Guys like Alexander, Hannibal, and Scipio Africanus had the resources of entire states behind them. Taking nothing away from them, they were all remarkable in never tasting defeat (excluding Zama where Scipio beat Hannibal), but marshalling the resources of large and powerful states is not near as difficult as leading a slave revolt; and in that context what Toussaint achieved was the greatest achievement. Many men have carved out empires and many men can boast undefeated records in generalship, but only one has ever freed a nation of slaves from their oppressors

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

Mansa Musa would have to be the answer. Expanded the Mali Empire and was one of the richest leaders in world history.

 

[Payroll]

But come to think of it, there is perhaps no greater military commander in history than Toussaint L'Ouverture. Guys like Alexander, Hannibal, and Scipio Africanus had the resources of entire states behind them. Taking nothing away from them, they were all remarkable in never tasting defeat (excluding Zama where Scipio beat Hannibal), but marshalling the resources of large and powerful states is not near as difficult as leading a slave revolt; and in that context what Toussaint achieved was the greatest achievement. Many men have carved out empires and many men can boast undefeated records in generalship, but only one has ever freed a nation of slaves from their oppressors

You right, never thought of it like that.

 

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@Diasporan Royalty

 

[egg]

A skilled war person who went around creating a large empire. I kinda think Shaka Zulu would fit this description but I'm not sure. Did the Zulus have a large empire .

yo mama

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Mansa Musa would have to be the answer. Expanded the Mali Empire and was one of the richest leaders in world history.

Came in hers to say this.

 

[UncleTomFord15]

But come to think of it, there is perhaps no greater military commander in history than Toussaint L'Ouverture. Guys like Alexander, Hannibal, and Scipio Africanus had the resources of entire states behind them. Taking nothing away from them, they were all remarkable in never tasting defeat (excluding Zama where Scipio beat Hannibal), but marshalling the resources of large and powerful states is not near as difficult as leading a slave revolt; and in that context what Toussaint achieved was the greatest achievement. Many men have carved out empires and many men can boast undefeated records in generalship, but only one has ever freed a nation of slaves from their oppressors

 

[Sugar]

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[Lord-Yosh]

But come to think of it, there is perhaps no greater military commander in history than Toussaint L'Ouverture. Guys like Alexander, Hannibal, and Scipio Africanus had the resources of entire states behind them. Taking nothing away from them, they were all remarkable in never tasting defeat (excluding Zama where Scipio beat Hannibal), but marshalling the resources of large and powerful states is not near as difficult as leading a slave revolt; and in that context what Toussaint achieved was the greatest achievement. Many men have carved out empires and many men can boast undefeated records in generalship, but only one has ever freed a nation of slaves from their oppressors

Talk that truth king

 

[CoryMack]

But come to think of it, there is perhaps no greater military commander in history than Toussaint L'Ouverture. Guys like Alexander, Hannibal, and Scipio Africanus had the resources of entire states behind them. Taking nothing away from them, they were all remarkable in never tasting defeat (excluding Zama where Scipio beat Hannibal), but marshalling the resources of large and powerful states is not near as difficult as leading a slave revolt; and in that context what Toussaint achieved was the greatest achievement. Many men have carved out empires and many men can boast undefeated records in generalship, but only one has ever freed a nation of slaves from their oppressors

Hannibal didn’t have the resources of the state behind him, which is why he lost. Carthage wasted men and money trying to keep the Romans outta Spain instead of reinforcing Hannibal in italy. Hannibal was basically using his own money to fund his campaign. Carthage sent him some money and small reinforcements after cannae but not much.

He couldn’t have known it when he started out but he never really had a chance. He was basically on his own once he crossed the alps. That’s why what he did was so special. Rome was a founded as a military state and was at its peak and still rising during the 2nd Punic War; Carthage was a commercial state on the decline militarily. Hannibal and his father are basically why Carthage is spoken about in a military sense. By Hannibal’s time Carthage's military strength had been drastically weakened because of their loss in the first Punic War. They’d basically been a naval power up until then, but by treaty they had to get rid of their navy and Rome now controlled the sea. Another reason Hannibal couldn’t really be reinforced in Italy.

The reason I place Hannibal above all others is because of the aggressive nature of his campaign, which came out of an understanding of Carthage’s political situation. His family understood back then the nature of the European. They knew he couldn’t be trusted and would never be satisfied until he had it all. And their taking the fight to the Italians on their soil instead of sitting back waiting to be attacked and then defending deserves the utmost respect.

But I feel you on the Haitians. Overcame overwhelming odds to do what they did and have been punished for it ever since.

 

[Payroll]

Hannibal didn’t have the resources of the state behind him, which is why he lost. Carthage wasted men and money trying to keep the Romans outta Spain instead of reinforcing Hannibal in italy. Hannibal was basically using his own money to fund his campaign. Carthage sent him some money and small reinforcements after cannae but not much.

He couldn’t have known it when he started out but he never really had a chance. He was basically on his own once he crossed the alps. That’s why what he did was so special. Rome was a founded as a military state and was at its peak and still rising during the 2nd Punic War; Carthage was a commercial state on the decline militarily. Hannibal and his father are basically why Carthage is spoken about in a military sense. By Hannibal’s time Carthage's military strength had been drastically weakened because of their loss in the first Punic War. They’d basically been a naval power up until then, but by treaty they had to get rid of their navy and Rome now controlled the sea. Another reason Hannibal couldn’t really be reinforced in Italy.

The reason I place Hannibal above all others is because of the aggressive nature of his campaign, which came out of an understanding of Carthage’s political situation. His family understood back then the nature of the European. They knew he couldn’t be trusted and would never be satisfied until he had it all. And their taking the fight to the Italians on their soil instead of sitting back waiting to be attacked and then defending deserves the utmost respect.

But I feel you on the Haitians. Overcame overwhelming odds to do what they did and have been punished for it ever since.

You right, If I remember correctly weren't the Carthaginians using mercenaries during the first Punic War which backfired because they basically couldn't afford to pay them after taking the L?

 

[Oatmeal]

shyt is crazy.... I was a history genius among my classmates... Straight A's always.

I just LOVED history.

Advanced classes.

Got an A on the state exam....

It wasnt until I was older that I realized I NEVER really learned about any powerful black people

Only submissive black people that got dominated.

I had to study up and do my own independent research after I dropped out.

Cacs lying to us.

They aint tellin the whole story.

Our history doesn't start on slave ships.

We definitely went over Greek and Roman history at my schools and these were majority black schools breh.

I was a history head myself when I was in school. Use to learn stuff on my own because they didn't teach certain topics then teachers would get mad when I challenged them on what the book said.

I always figured they didn't teach black history or anything about Africa for real was to keep Black students from knowing too much. You can control a population if they don't know their history. If you don't know where you came from and how you got there, how are you supposed to know where your going?

We learned all about Europe though, I was at a majority white school and looking back them teachers was on some because I remember them not having enough time to cover the chapters about Africa.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I was a history head myself when I was in school. Use to learn stuff on my own because they didn't teach certain topics then teachers would get mad when I challenged them on what the book said.

I always figured they didn't teach black history or anything about Africa for real was to keep Black students from knowing too much. You can control a population if they don't know their history. If you don't know where you came from and how you got there, how are you supposed to know where your going?

We learned all about Europe though, I was at a majority white school and looking back them teachers was on some because I remember them not having enough time to cover the chapters about Africa.

Yup


Kinda feel like a c00n for being so knowledgeable about cac history




Sad as fukk

 

[Hoodoo Child]

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