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Is there a black version of Ghengis Khan or Alxander the Great?
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Henri Christophe
Son Of Afrika
Never learned a single thing about black people till 11th grade and even then it was only a 1 day thing. Whites truly has most of our people walking around thinking we sat in mud huts fof thousands of years doing nothing
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Absolutely
They really make black people look like hoes....
"We enslaved you.... Killed you... Hung you.... Then we free'd you out of the goodness of our hearts... And now we allow you to work for us and spend money with our businesses... Oh and martin luther king said that you shouldn't seek vengeance... Just take the L"
And black folks buy into it
UncleTomFord15
Veteran
FLORIDA BOI
All Star
greatest general Hannibal but not on that rape and pillaged shyt
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that's what empires do & some of the first/most successful where from the motherland*
Real shyt
My wake up call came when I saw my HS offered AP European history. Of course we had AP World, US and Gov't but Euro was the only non-US related history course available. Made me reflect on how little I was taught about African and African American history. Prolly best to be self taught anyway. It's easier to filter out the bullshyt
Henri Christophe
Son Of Afrika
Facts
But the one benefit of being knowledgeable in the white man's history is that you know how he moves.... you understand how he thinks... the methods he used to conquer the world
Etc etc
Once you go and do independent research and put the pieces together... It all makes sense
I understand the enemy 100%
Larry Lambo
Superstar
This is why some cats didn't completely ride with Kanye but wasn't vibing with extent of the backlash, because it implies the notion that our destiny is in their hands.
We were conquered, defeated, and brutally abused. That's understood by most. But what were we before that? What was our society, our technology, our culture? What made us great and what led to our fall?
There's information out there and we are responsible for teaching that to our children. The public school system is not going to do it, that's just not a realistic option.
Sesotris, an Egypotian king, conquered Europe and and the Middle East.
Henri Christophe
Son Of Afrika
100%
Pops had me reading about all types of shyt when I was 8-9 years old
Malcolm X
Marcus Garvey
Mandela
L'oveture
Dessalines
Etc etc
At the time I hated it because I just wanted to watch SpongeBob and play basketball but looking back I understood what he was doing because he knew I wasn't going to learn none of this at school
Child_Of_God
Love is a long road.
I was just about say that.
That's incorrect the Mali empire did not have the military prowess of either the Mongols or Greeks. To answer the op the closest is shaka Zulu but the Zulu did not have a huge empire either. African warlords that create big successful empires are few and far in between. Most great empires in Africa were born of great wealth and culture.
Much respect to all who said Hannibal Barca.
I’ve only studied ghengis a little but what the mongols did was impressive. He had excellent generals like tsubodi, who is himself not as well known but is comparable to some of the top military minds in history from what ive read.
I’ve studied Alexander but I won’t get into him too much. He was an excellent general of course.
But neither did what Hannibal did. Both Alexander and ghengis were monarchs with absolute say and control of the resources of the State. They could raise armies and call for reinforcements at will. Hannibal was just a general of Carthage, subject to recall at any time, and his own govt basically betrayed him. And there was a difference in their opponents. After the Persians alexander was attacking people who had no idea why or even who he was. Rome was at its fighting peak when Hannibal invaded Italy and both of em knew exactly what they were doing.
Hannibal left new Carthage with 100,000 men and fought his way thru northern Spain. He was only 31. He had about 50,000 when he reached the foot of the alps and only 26,000 left when he crossed into Italy. He was the first general to cross the Pyrenees and then the first to cross the Alps with an organized army.
Then he gave the romans hell for the next 16 years and never lost a major engagement on Italian soil. He was the first and only commander in history to use his entire army to set an ambush, at lake trasimene. He wiped out his third Roman army, en route to the massacre at cannae where he killed between 50 - 70,000 and lost only about 6,000 himself. They still teach that battle in military academies all over the world today. He actually got most of southern Italy to leave their Roman alliance and side with him. It’s also why they say southern Italians are so much darker than the northerners, because that’s where Hannibal’s army spent most of its time.
I could keep going. I’ve probably read most of the seminal works about him. Out of them all I always recommend ‘Hannibal’ by T.A. Dodge. Most of what you’ll read worth reading I’ve found was taken from dodge but he rarely gets the credit.
His book is the best because dodge actually went to Italy
and walked the ground Hannibal campaigned on. He’s not just getting his info from other books. Dodge was himself also a soldier. An officer in the union army who lost a leg at Chancellorsville in the civil war, so basically what you’re getting is a military history. No opinions and embellishments, just a soldiers view of Hannibal’s campaigns.
If you go into it knowing Hannibal is Black, and he was, you’ll be straight. There’s a coin online of Hannibal with the plats in his hair and an elephant on the other side. That was minted to commemorate his victory at lake trasimene.
No bullshyt his old man hamilcar was a beast too. He’s the one that conquered southern Spain and it was his plan Hannibal carried out.
All Black people should study the Punic Wars. They contain every lesson and answer to our problems. And it was the last time we’d meet white folks in war on close to even terms.
I’ve only studied ghengis a little but what the mongols did was impressive. He had excellent generals like tsubodi, who is himself not as well known but is comparable to some of the top military minds in history from what ive read.
I’ve studied Alexander but I won’t get into him too much. He was an excellent general of course.
But neither did what Hannibal did. Both Alexander and ghengis were monarchs with absolute say and control of the resources of the State. They could raise armies and call for reinforcements at will. Hannibal was just a general of Carthage, subject to recall at any time, and his own govt basically betrayed him. And there was a difference in their opponents. After the Persians alexander was attacking people who had no idea why or even who he was. Rome was at its fighting peak when Hannibal invaded Italy and both of em knew exactly what they were doing.
Hannibal left new Carthage with 100,000 men and fought his way thru northern Spain. He was only 31. He had about 50,000 when he reached the foot of the alps and only 26,000 left when he crossed into Italy. He was the first general to cross the Pyrenees and then the first to cross the Alps with an organized army.
Then he gave the romans hell for the next 16 years and never lost a major engagement on Italian soil. He was the first and only commander in history to use his entire army to set an ambush, at lake trasimene. He wiped out his third Roman army, en route to the massacre at cannae where he killed between 50 - 70,000 and lost only about 6,000 himself. They still teach that battle in military academies all over the world today. He actually got most of southern Italy to leave their Roman alliance and side with him. It’s also why they say southern Italians are so much darker than the northerners, because that’s where Hannibal’s army spent most of its time.
I could keep going. I’ve probably read most of the seminal works about him. Out of them all I always recommend ‘Hannibal’ by T.A. Dodge. Most of what you’ll read worth reading I’ve found was taken from dodge but he rarely gets the credit.
His book is the best because dodge actually went to Italy
and walked the ground Hannibal campaigned on. He’s not just getting his info from other books. Dodge was himself also a soldier. An officer in the union army who lost a leg at Chancellorsville in the civil war, so basically what you’re getting is a military history. No opinions and embellishments, just a soldiers view of Hannibal’s campaigns.
If you go into it knowing Hannibal is Black, and he was, you’ll be straight. There’s a coin online of Hannibal with the plats in his hair and an elephant on the other side. That was minted to commemorate his victory at lake trasimene.
No bullshyt his old man hamilcar was a beast too. He’s the one that conquered southern Spain and it was his plan Hannibal carried out.
All Black people should study the Punic Wars. They contain every lesson and answer to our problems. And it was the last time we’d meet white folks in war on close to even terms.
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