Is the generally accepted speed of light is wrong.

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Thread turning into another classic flat eart vs round earth debate...

There's no debate. He can't produce a model that shows how objectively verifiable phenomena occur on a Flat Earth without making a different model for each one which invalidates ALL the others.

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[TRUEST]

Your understanding of the universe will always be limited by what you are.

 

[null]

by your logic, nothing is real. We're all living in a simulation. The screen that you're looking at isn't real. Your body isn't real. It's all CGI simulation crafted by aliens, as they use our bodies for energy.

there was no CGI in 1919

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's been generally accepted that the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second in a vaccum.

The problem with that is gravity. Gravity can slow down, move and bend light. Eisenstein's theory of relativity was proven during a solar eclipse (they observed the suns gravity warping the starlight behind it).


Every object with mass in the universe exerts gravity. The sun, the planets, comets, moons, asteroid's etc. So wouldn't that gravity influence the light photons as they move. Even on earth, everything gives off gravitational interference, so wouldn't that impact measuring the speed of light? Especially once you include antimatter, dark matter and dark energy which also may influence photons.

You're citing Einstein's Theory of General Relativity while ignoring the most basic concept of relativity. Light is bent in the influence of gravity only because all of spacetime is bent by the influence of gravity. It's not just light that is bent, space itself is bent, distances are bent, mass is altered, time itself slows down. That's how you can bend light and still have it travel the exact same speed - because everything is bent there.

Yes, the concept is famously difficult to understand. In an introductory physics course they will spend a couple weeks focusing on the results of Einstein's 1905 theory of Special Relativity (the changes in physical law that occur when observing objects from frames of reference moving at different relative speeds), and only then would move on to Einstein's 1916 theory of General Relativity afterwards. It's not going to be adequately explained with no context on an internet message board - take a course.

So one can argue, that it's impossible to measure the speed of light. Not to mention that it's never been measured in one direction.

That's completely false - the speed of light has been measured many different ways, including in "one direction" for hundreds of years.

Speed of light - Wikipedia

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

by your logic, nothing is real. We're all living in a simulation. The screen that you're looking at isn't real. Your body isn't real. It's all CGI simulation crafted by aliens, as they use our bodies for energy.

Everything that debunks flat earth becomes a part of the globespheracy

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

You're citing Einstein's Theory of General Relativity while ignoring the most basic concept of relativity. Light is bent in the influence of gravity only because all of spacetime is bent by the influence of gravity. It's not just light that is bent, space itself is bent, distances are bent, mass is altered, time itself slows down. That's how you can bend light and still have it travel the exact same speed - because everything is bent there.

Yes, the concept is famously difficult to understand. In an introductory physics course they will spend a couple weeks focusing on the results of Einstein's 1905 theory of Special Relativity (the changes in physical law that occur when observing objects from frames of reference moving at different relative speeds), and only then would move on to Einstein's 1916 theory of General Relativity afterwards. It's not going to be adequately explained with no context on an internet message board - take a course.





That's completely false - the speed of light has been measured many different ways, including in "one direction" for hundreds of years.

Speed of light - Wikipedia

It's already been established that light can be slowed down. Black holes can suck in light to where it cant escape.

All i'm saying is nobody knows the true speed of light. How do we know it doesn't speed up to an infinite amount. The universe is expanding faster than light, so how do we know the speed of either? At this point everything is best guess. We don't know what's before the CMBR either. Or what's inside the event horizon. I'm just not satisfied with what is being put out at the moment, even though I know that's alll we have to go out. The universe really shows how small and insignificant, humans really are

 

[BaldingSoHard]

It's not the speed of light, it's the speed of causality.

It just so happens that light travels at this speed.

 

[Wiles]

Bending light doesn't slow it down it changes the direction. U can drive on the highway go 80mph and switch lanes while maintaining speed fool


Oh and black holes in theory would stop anything does that mean the speed of something is wrong because a force can stop anything?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's already been established that light can be slowed down. Black holes can suck in light to where it cant escape.

The black hole does not slow down the speed of light. Close to the black hole the impact of gravity warps spacetime so massively that time slows down incredibly. The objects being "sucked in" to a black hole never even reach its center as time passes more and more slowly the closer they approach.

Imagine watching a film of a person running in slow-motion. Even though the person looks like they're covering distance slowly, you remain aware that they are actually running at a normal speed, it's just that the film is slowed down so it looks like they're moving slower. The same thing happens as you approach a black hole only it's not "the film" that's slowed down, all of reality slows down. Light covers the same distance in the same amount of time, but very, very little time actually passes.

Again, I'm not going to pretend this is easy to understand, but don't refuse to believe something just because you don't understand it. Take an actual class on the subject.

All i'm saying is nobody knows the true speed of light. How do we know it doesn't speed up to an infinite amount.

I already linked you the numerous ways in which we measure the speed of light, all of which agree with each other. That is how we know:

Speed of light - Wikipedia

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's not the speed of light, it's the speed of causality.

It just so happens that light travels at this speed.

* maximum * speed of causality

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

SO black holes don't slow light, it merely bends it? Ok

'Time', itself, is slowed down the closer light gets to a black hole and any other celestial body with mass.

'Gravity' is an accelerating force against it.​

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

'Time', itself, is slowed down the closer light gets to a black hole and any other celestial body with mass.

'Gravity' is an accelerating force against it.​

For regular matter sure. Photons are timeless though.

Watch: Neil deGrasse Tyson explains the timelessness of photons

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Bending light doesn't slow it down it changes the direction. U can drive on the highway go 80mph and switch lanes while maintaining speed fool


Oh and black holes in theory would stop anything does that mean the speed of something is wrong because a force can stop anything?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

For regular matter sure. Photons are timeless though.

A photon is timeless relative to itself, but not us. That's how we even know they exist. We can only observe things within our ability to perceive time.​

 

[Geordi]

Its crazy how the universe is so big even light takes years to get to other stars