Is society promoting Black Women and leaving Black Men behind?

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Deep...

 

[semicko82]

nikka went to the pleas store and copped errrrthang. The fukk, I could argue at least a 1/3 of women who are single mothers did it for financially longevity reasons

Dude legit said 5 percent of women become single moms on purpose

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

The BM who have resources and wealth coming together to build more. In other words, say your a breh who's an attorney and you know a few other brehs elsewhere that are also attorneys--why don't all of you eventually come together and start your own firm? The brehs who are celebs, yes they do great things for their communities--we need more of that, more brehs coming together to build schools, to create programs for little boys, to come in and mentor little boys, to encourage more black boys to get into STEM careers and go to HBCUS. More black brehs coming together to police neighborhoods (especially from gangs) the same way we see crazy Karen's and Brads policing their neighborhoods calling the police on anyone who looks suspect. More brehs getting on the brehs who are commiting the violence in our communities, killing children, women, and making them so unsafe. Brehs coming together and using their money to buy land, to buy communities, to start businesses and hire more of us at the businesses. Brehs teaching financial literacy classes, entreprenership classes, and other vital skills to young brehs to help set them up for life. More brehs being involved in their children's lives--people constantly bring up single mothers and it's a fair point, but the mothers are the ones who stick around, the men don't, and women can't raise a boy into a man, only a man can. We need more men involved in their kid's lives, even if they aren't involved withe the mother. Honestly I feel like more brehs should probably even get full custody of their sons starting at certain age, but that's another point. Starting more organizations to support boys. One advantage I see white parents doing is they take their little boys camping and hunting, teaching them survival skills and other masculine activities at young ages. We need more brehs reframining what is masculinity--tying it to other activities outside of their dikks, rap, and other things that have honestly been very harmful to brehs overall.

We need black male teachers and probably black male schools. As men, there's expectation for you to be the leaders. To lead the change you want to see. Yall complain about our community being a matriarchy, but as men yall can rise up and take it back, but some of yall just want to complain about it and aren't taking actions to band together with other bm to make it happen.

And if brehs really want the whole community behind them, giving them support, it does start with them supporting their women and their children as well. As the saying goes, behind every strong man is strong women lifting them up. And in the past BW were lifting BM up, but it's becoming less and less, because BW haven't seen returns. What I mean is that at the end of the day, as much shyt as WW talk about WM, they know who butters their bread-they know WM provide resources, jobs, safe communities, stability, etc. They know WM are always putting them on pedestals and making the rest of us consume content centered on how beautiful are WW--even when they can't stand their women, even when their women are on platforms going against them and targeting them. Wm will still throw everyone under the bus for their own women. The harsh reality is that in a lot of cases, BW are getting, jobs, finances, resources and help more from WM than from brehs. They *feel* as if they get more support from each other and the friendships and networks they've built than from brehs.

Meanwhile, marriage rate is low, Brehettes aren't able to practice to assortive mating like other groups:https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/marriagble-men-release.pdf

Brehs have been putting their women down, getting upset when WM invest in us because they are unable to, saying we aren't desirable and no on wants us, sharing every other negative stereoytpe about us, while boosting up nonbw. Then they turn around and ask BW to support them--do you see the disconnect? When you look at the big picture, it almost makes sense that some brehettes have resorted to admiring wm--because WM are giving bw resources, jobs, etc--things that BM are not. BW want BM to do that for them. BW want BM to put them above other women, to be more loyal to them.

BW would probably stop going in on yall and being so hateful and angry if they saw more of that happening, if we're keeping it buck, because a lot of that hatred is disappointment, frustration, and anger. And I do think some of the points @Lemons has made have been on on point about other groups not respecting BM. But I think doing the above things (helping police and maintain safe communities, building more schools, businesses, land and communities, getting married and/or at least being more active in your children's lives, putting your own women above there's, etc) would earn more respect from brehettes and from other groups.

Of course this is just my opinions based on the conversations I've had with other BW.

Wow

The way you're talking about, Black women are thriving!
But when I look out my window, I see men and women struggling to get by

So the Black women that made it and are being promoted, good for them, but what have they done to garner the communities respect except propel their own advancement?

And to keep it really a buck, I'm of the opinion that the Black community is in shambles because of how American society was designed and what we've been through

But if we want to play the blame game there's enough to go around for MEN and WOMEN

Got women out here procreating with bums, then complaining about how nikkas ain't shyt, but nah, it's not their fault for picking them

You literally can't say anything critical about women no more

I remember when Barack was speaking on young men, and said "You don't have to have a bunch of women to be the man."

Imagine if he said that shyt in reverse?

There is no Black community any more, but yall expect men to be stewards of something that no longer exists, when any leadership would get pushback

Everything you said was c00n shyt wrapped up in nice words

 

[KidJSoul]

Black women are out here rallying together, bonding, forming social groups and most importantly getting their image, likeness and perspective RESPECTED because they demand it. That’s why you are seeing a change. Black men have the worst reputation and apparently do nothing to combat that as a group. That’s on y’all to figure out.

Historically, black men have never been respected as a group but at least their women respected them and catered to them. Not anymore. Black women are tired of being mules and publicly humiliated by those very same men and have chosen to move on together to greener pastures. Blame yourselves for that.

Stop crying about where you are at in life and think about why no one respects you and how you can change that. Firstly, stop making excuses and blaming everyone for your plight. No one respects pitiful men. Advocate for strong SMART black male leaders who do more than sit behind and desk and talk all day on a podcast. Surely you can find decent black men whose lifestyle is admirable to be the face of a movement? And no not rappers and athletes, actually academically trained black men who aren’t sellouts and live for the people.

The truth is black women have always been the glue to the black community. What you’re witnessing is the glue moving on and leaving y’all to pick up the pieces. That’s why y’all feel the way you do: hopeless, left behind, confused, betrayed, emasculated etc. Instead of moving WITH black women, many of you focus on combating them—but where does that get you? Exactly where you are today: by yourself with no one at all caring about you or your representation as a people.

The positive note is that it is not too late to turn things around. Good luck.

Lol.

This is exactly the mentality that leads you all exactly where you are today: nowhere. With no allies and zero respect.

Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. “agent, bedwench, plant, cac, non-ADOS” whatever it is you can get your hands on to attack the messenger instead of the message…that’s the only way y’all know how to rally. That’s it. No plans, no goals, no valid points, no objective displays of understanding. Just blame, attack, break down credibility and then you’re on to the next topic to circle jerk about how “the government” or “the white man” or “the media” is turning everyone against you and hiring losers to tap dance and destroy your image. How’s that working out for y’all? Lmao.

But I will answer your question before you go ranting about how I avoided it—because again, that’s all y’all do. Yes I am BLACK American. I advocate for the progress of BLACK Americans above all else. I do not support groups who show faulty questionable leadership that does more harm than good and discourages unity based on silly acronyms and cult like worship of people, instead of prioritizing the cause. Which is the advancement of the black people of American heritage.

It’s high time we take responsibility for our communities. Black women understand the assignment and have made progress. Black men have not. I’m off the coddling and bullshyt. If that makes you think i’m an LSA agent “bedwench” or whatever, that’s fine. But my passion stems from the fact that I want better for us as a people and we won’t get there together unless we 1. acknowledge the faults and take accountability. Many of you don’t like that and blame those of us who speak truth as being agents.

Y’all been complaining about the same shyt for 5 years now and what has changed except black women leaving you even further behind? What are you ACTUALLY doing to change your image as a collective? What are your actual ideas besides “the white man hates us”? Okay we know that. Now what? Are y’all gonna continue sitting on blogs shaking your fists, or are you going to stop whining and hit the ground running like your women have? White people aren’t just handing things to black women for no reason, we are going to school. We are demanding raises. We are organizing rallies. We have built online social groups to get our messages across and swarm on people who disrespect us and our image. Can black men say the same? Despite what you think I want the same for black men. But that will not happen until y’all can admit the truth.

Man, look.

I'm not gonna deflect from your posts. I'm just gonna say this: you're really simplifying things here.

Do black women do a great job of mobilizing? Yes.

But you're ignoring that part of the strides black women have made are "allowed" to happen.

Most black male leaders were always killed off, and much of the policies used to hurt the black community have ended up putting many black men in prison (for reasons we know). All this plus the trauma porn of seeing unarmed black male deaths DEFINITELY has created a broken spirit amongst black men.

As where on the other hand, you see big corporations supporting black women, mostly because black women are bigger spenders. So it's pandering to them. Black women still suffer in the job market and student loan debt unfortunately, despite their degrees rising. So it's fluff.

Lastly, I'm not gonna blame black feminism or other groups like some losers here do. But I will say that black men occupy a unique space politically: obviously, we ain't gonna support the right. But among the left, we still are treated with more "privlege": after all, we are the "white people of the black community", right? Becuase black women are women, they have it worse than us, right? Because of this paradigm, it's hard to Gurnee any sympathy.

 

[Bossino]

Wow

The way you're talking about, Black women are thriving!
But when I look out my window, I see men and women struggling to get by

So the Black women that made it and are being promoted, good for them, but what have they done to garner the communities respect except propel their own advancement?

And to keep it really a buck, I'm of the opinion that the Black community is in shambles because of how American society was designed and what we've been through

But if we want to play the blame game there's enough to go around for MEN and WOMEN

Got women out here procreation with bums, then complaining about how nikkas ain't shyt, but nah, it's not their fault for picking them

You literally can't say anything critical about women no more

I remember when Barack was speaking on young men, and said "You don't have to have a bunch of women to be the man."

Imagine if he said that shyt in reverse?

There is no Black community any more, but yall expect men to be stewards of something that no longer exists, when any leadership would get pushback

Everything you said was c00n shyt wrapped up in nice words

Man you have some occasional takes I view as trash, but this was spot on. I realized that well to do black men are in a lose lose in Amerikkka a long time ago. shyts been cooked, and quiet as kept BW helped out WS in more ways than they'll ever realize/admit.

 

[FeverPitch2]

The BM who have resources and wealth coming together to build more. In other words, say your a breh who's an attorney and you know a few other brehs elsewhere that are also attorneys--why don't all of you eventually come together and start your own firm? The brehs who are celebs, yes they do great things for their communities--we need more of that, more brehs coming together to build schools, to create programs for little boys, to come in and mentor little boys, to encourage more black boys to get into STEM careers and go to HBCUS. More black brehs coming together to police neighborhoods (especially from gangs) the same way we see crazy Karen's and Brads policing their neighborhoods calling the police on anyone who looks suspect. More brehs getting on the brehs who are commiting the violence in our communities, killing children, women, and making them so unsafe. Brehs coming together and using their money to buy land, to buy communities, to start businesses and hire more of us at the businesses. Brehs teaching financial literacy classes, entreprenership classes, and other vital skills to young brehs to help set them up for life. More brehs being involved in their children's lives--people constantly bring up single mothers and it's a fair point, but the mothers are the ones who stick around, the men don't, and women can't raise a boy into a man, only a man can. We need more men involved in their kid's lives, even if they aren't involved withe the mother. Honestly I feel like more brehs should probably even get full custody of their sons starting at certain age, but that's another point. Starting more organizations to support boys. One advantage I see white parents doing is they take their little boys camping and hunting, teaching them survival skills and other masculine activities at young ages. We need more brehs reframining what is masculinity--tying it to other activities outside of their dikks, rap, and other things that have honestly been very harmful to brehs overall.

We need black male teachers and probably black male schools. As men, there's expectation for you to be the leaders. To lead the change you want to see. Yall complain about our community being a matriarchy, but as men yall can rise up and take it back, but some of yall just want to complain about it and aren't taking actions to band together with other bm to make it happen.

And if brehs really want the whole community behind them, giving them support, it does start with them supporting their women and their children as well. As the saying goes, behind every strong man is strong women lifting them up. And in the past BW were lifting BM up, but it's becoming less and less, because BW haven't seen returns. What I mean is that at the end of the day, as much shyt as WW talk about WM, they know who butters their bread-they know WM provide resources, jobs, safe communities, stability, etc. They know WM are always putting them on pedestals and making the rest of us consume content centered on how beautiful are WW--even when they can't stand their women, even when their women are on platforms going against them and targeting them. Wm will still throw everyone under the bus for their own women. The harsh reality is that in a lot of cases, BW are getting, jobs, finances, resources and help more from WM than from brehs. They *feel* as if they get more support from each other and the friendships and networks they've built than from brehs.

Meanwhile, marriage rate is low, Brehettes aren't able to practice to assortive mating like other groups:https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/marriagble-men-release.pdf

Brehs have been putting their women down, getting upset when WM invest in us because they are unable to, saying we aren't desirable and no on wants us, sharing every other negative stereoytpe about us, while boosting up nonbw. Then they turn around and ask BW to support them--do you see the disconnect? When you look at the big picture, it almost makes sense that some brehettes have resorted to admiring wm--because WM are giving bw resources, jobs, etc--things that BM are not. BW want BM to do that for them. BW want BM to put them above other women, to be more loyal to them.

BW would probably stop going in on yall and being so hateful and angry if they saw more of that happening, if we're keeping it buck, because a lot of that hatred is disappointment, frustration, and anger. And I do think some of the points @Lemons has made have been on on point about other groups not respecting BM. But I think doing the above things (helping police and maintain safe communities, building more schools, businesses, land and communities, getting married and/or at least being more active in your children's lives, putting your own women above there's, etc) would earn more respect from brehettes and from other groups.

Of course this is just my opinions based on the conversations I've had with other BW.

I agree with mostly all of your points.
Successful Black men need to clique up. This is an issue we need to address right away.
Too many of us, once we reach a certain status, start playing respectability politics and acting cac-like towards our people in the struggle.
It's a intellectually disingenuous argument. It's the bootstraps argument with a natural hairstyle.
ALL of us are still at the bottom. I have Gucci belt and you don't. It's inconsequential.
The Black community as a whole has issues and all of us acting like model citizens in the eyes of white society isn't the answer.
Our real problem is the systemic oppression and disenfranchisement of our people. Our issues as a society are direct symptoms of that oppression.
You cant address the social uplift of Black people without addressing the very real barriers put in place to neutralize us. In the case of BM, to also emasculate us.
This is the blind spot.
The reason why BW meet so much resistance when they speak on the very real dysfunction in BM is because:
a) The brothers who do the work and try to rebuild the bridge are mostly ignored, even ridiculed for some reason. The work has to be matched.
b) BW seem to be willfully unaware of their own dysfunction in equal measure and preaching to us from some perceived place of moral superiority.

What all of us need to do is not be gaslit into believing that each other are inherently flawed and start throwing WS talking points at each other.
It's okay for us to be disappointed in each other as long as that disappointment is tempered with being cognizant of the root cause of our dysfunction.
We have to learn to talk to each other rather than bicker, and hold each other accountable with love rather than derision.
To be fair, I have seen more and more sisters recently stepping up and doing just that.
I'm not talking about telling us what we wanna hear and buffing our ego.
I'm seeing sisters speak to brothers with an understanding of how we all got here, but also not afraid to check our unhealthy behaviors.
The response these sisters get from BM is overwhelmingly positive.
The same way you and I are are engaging in civil discourse here based on a mutual concern for our people is a perfect example of how these conversations should go.

 

[The Fade]

Call me insane but I think the whole divestor thing is a CIA psyop. Trayvon Martin died and it started a whole movement. This is the counter that the 'powers that be' came up with and to stop the emergence of a 2nd civil right's movement. Create dysfunction in the black community by propping up black women who feel unappreciated and adding fuel to the fire of the gender wars. Nothing significantly legislative came about from BLM as cops are still murdering us. Lynching us from trees and calling it a 'suicide'. Using us to fill up private prisons and whatnot. Banking discrimination, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, medical discrimination are all common everyday occurrences in the US of A.

The women are too emotional and shortsighted to see what's going on. "I'm a Phd!", "I got a verbose job title and a shiny new desk!", "I got a white husband!" The white man just needs to hand her bread crumps under the table to satisfy her, and recruit her as a double agent trojan horse pawn of white supremacy.

when Trayvon died, the academy misfit women got mad a black boy got all this attention. the shyt you had to be in graduate school to know about got pushed to the front, aka those intersectional weirdos. then it became about wanting to be seen as heroesand getting the prestige of leading movements. except most of the nikkas that are heroes and "took all the credit" are dead, and the ones that tried it a year ago are living in mansions and leasing out property they bought with blood money for profit

they bait and switched, just like they did with the other male corpses.

 

[GR13]

The fatal flaw in this chest beating you're doing is that y'all are under the illusion that these cacs give a shyt about you.
You honestly believe that you're making your way up the social ladder purely by your own merit, and not because they're playing chess.
You're also deluded enough to believe that the current power structure is going to hand the reigns of power over to you because you dress nice and have a degree from an HBCU.
The final delusion you believe is that you're actually doing anything significant for Black people, women, or Black women specifically.
You're not stopping police killings, you're not repairing the Black family structure, you're not fixing income inequality for Black people.
You're not steering young Black women away from sex work as their first choice of employment.
You're not challenging the the stereotype of Black women as hypersexual hoodrats in mainstream media.
You're definitely not moving the needle as far as reducing sexual assault of women and children.
You're not helping the Black community understand political strategy, nor are you furthering our reparations claim.
You're quiet as church mice when Black women and girls are assaulted or murdered by white supremacists or other groups.
You're going to brunches, going to the Caribbean to take pictures of yourself for social media, and buying overpriced purses and calling that progress.
These cacs are giving you these pats on the heads, a title, a few extra coins, and a white boy's attention, because that's all it takes to recruit you as an agent against the Black community.
The sooner you realize that we're all in the same boat and that you need to get on code, then we'll move in the right direction by leaps and bounds.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

So Goldman didn't just earmark 10 BILLION explicitly for black women?

How much of that is going specifically to black women? Color me skeptical because I know firsthand how easy it is to earmark funds and how hard it is for those funds to find their way into the hands of those with need. White man speak with forked tongue.
But didn’t someone pay off all the student loans for a black male graduating class a year ago?

Also there are SO many programs focusing specifically on black males. Part of the reason for the current push is because black females have traditionally been left out of many of these programs.
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/aclu_emoc_report_5-26-16_updated_final.pdf

Black women are behind everyone in nearly every metric and now that they are clawing their way to the slightest parity with anyone else, people view their success as something negative? It’s crazy to me. What did people think black women were gonna do? Just stay at the bottom forever so fragile egos can have something to feel better than?
The sickest part of this is that black women arent even doing that well. But the little bit of success they do have is STILL a problem.
All I know is that humbling black women doesn’t help black men. The reverse is applicable too.

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

I’ve had this for a while but never read it

i haven't read either of those books but i'm a poli-sci major from hbcu. needless to say, i've read enough about the topic already lol
i only do entertaining books now

but my point was each side can make whatever oppression claim that the other is making just as easy. to the point where it's retarded that there is even "sides"

 

[Nar-el]

Late, but I see some bootstraps talk in here If you ain't talking policy, you ain't talking sense. I used to be on my Claude Anderson black-business-will-save-us stuff, until I realized that MOST WHITE PEOLPLE DIDN'T EVEN GET THEIR WEALTH THAT WAY! Whites were on the verge of hanging their elites in the streets, until FDR came through with the New Deal and created massive wealth transfer/social programs. They taxed the hell out of the rich. They got the suburbs, jobs, and highways built to their jobs. Done with their tax money and ours. Black folks got cut out of most of that deal. Many got the lead infested left overs in the cities(see Rick Nevin--Lucifers Curve). Black business alone won't save BM or BW. They can be used to fund politicians who lobby for reparations but white America will decide.

Government often decides who makes it, and for at least 4 decades now, there has been a focus on women and girls through social programs, which is understandable. As a result, women are out-performing men across all races. It's not just BM getting out-paced.
I'm glad somebody brought up Tommy Curry tho. That dude really opened my eyes. Turns out, out-group males of all races and ethnic groups typically do worse than their women. Why? Because the women aren't seen as a threat. Even the feminists agreed with him, but still called it a privilege
Someone mentioned BLM If that's the future of black activism, BM are in BIG trouble.
All that being said, there's always room for improvement . Let's just be honest about how BM got here and realistic about how BM get out.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Got ppl in here talking about BLACK WOMEN ARE THRIVING!

Meanwhile the American middle class is dead across the board

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

I don't have time to watch this breh its 1 hour, will watch later.

What's the basis of it and what needs to be done?

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Black women are out here rallying together, bonding, forming social groups and most importantly getting their image, likeness and perspective RESPECTED because they demand it. That’s why you are seeing a change. Black men have the worst reputation and apparently do nothing to combat that as a group. That’s on y’all to figure out.

Historically, black men have never been respected as a group but at least their women respected them and catered to them. Not anymore. Black women are tired of being mules and publicly humiliated by those very same men and have chosen to move on together to greener pastures. Blame yourselves for that.

Stop crying about where you are at in life and think about why no one respects you and how you can change that. Firstly, stop making excuses and blaming everyone for your plight. No one respects pitiful men. Advocate for strong SMART black male leaders who do more than sit behind and desk and talk all day on a podcast. Surely you can find decent black men whose lifestyle is admirable to be the face of a movement? And no not rappers and athletes, actually academically trained black men who aren’t sellouts and live for the people.

The truth is black women have always been the glue to the black community. What you’re witnessing is the glue moving on and leaving y’all to pick up the pieces. That’s why y’all feel the way you do: hopeless, left behind, confused, betrayed, emasculated etc. Instead of moving WITH black women, many of you focus on combating them—but where does that get you? Exactly where you are today: by yourself with no one at all caring about you or your representation as a people.

The positive note is that it is not too late to turn things around. Good luck.

I had my shyt together since day 1. You not talking about this black man right here.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

That don't matter. I seen plenty of FBA women that are hood, bedwenching. Yeah, as in the traditional hoodrat messing with white dudes.

The main question is, that poster sounds like an LSA agent. Lineage be damned; she making bootstraps white-supremacist like statements. FBA or not, she need to be ripped apart for the anti-black male propaganda.

Society doesn't respect a man with his hands out. Never will. The faster black men realize this, the better. Look at history and tell me what you see. Women and babies getting rescued and support, men are expected to stay and fight.

When will y'all realize that as a black man it's either adapt or die? The only dudes mad at black women's success are bitter losers who refuse to get anything going for themselves.