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Your mom sounds embarrassing. Imagine making a scene over that lmao
:skip: A. Who the hell are you?

B. If you or anybody you ever knew ate free lunch in public school, you can thank my mother bc, at age 14-15, she was "embarrassing" us by belligerently demanding that our local (mostly Jewish) stores contribute to the Black Panther breakfast program. This led to the federal school breakfast/ lunch program. You're welcome. :birdman:


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Ah fair, I see what you mean @Lemons


I just don't understand how you can counter the narrative without some length of economic clout

But I have to ask, is there any group of men with a substantial degree of positive social clout.

The narrative of Asian men are that they effeminate, white men are basically in the same basket but to a lesser degree. Black men are hyoermasculine, violent and duplicitous and Latin men are hypermasculine with the penchant for domestic abuse.

I don't know one group of men with a positive social narrative.

I’m glad all it took was a man for you to understand simple logic.

I even gave the LGBTQ example and it still wasn’t clicking for you.

Social “clout” as a group gets you FAR. Period. It won’t be all that’s necessary and like you said economic power is important, but when you’re the bottom of the totem pole with no real PLANS to attain this phantom “economic power” the least you can do is control your image.

It’s not rocket science. It’s just like being an individual. When you’re respect by people you get far. When people hate you and are scared of you, you aren’t going to rise to the top of the company. You’re gonna stay right where you are because who the fukk wants to do you favors? Who wants to advocate for you? Nobody. You won’t be getting a raise anytime soon if you aren’t liked. Or you can just start your own company and not give a fukk about being liked, but not everyone has the resources or ability to do that.

Also, you’re pointing out negative aspects of each group but by and large, white men are still the most powerful and respected men on earth. Their social currency is top tier because they spent years upon years building systems to ensure that, no matter how depraved and violent they’ve been. People are more openly critical of them now which is good, but they still hold that social power.

Asian men outearn white men at every turn but please tell me how much power asian men have in this country? With all their money, they are still on their forums crying about losing their women to white men. Money is just ONE aspect, but social clout is imperative.

Asian men have recently gotten on code though. The tide is changing for them and I think K-POP is helping that. They realized the problem and are fixing it. That should be everyone’s goal.
 

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Seeee you get it!! A social rebrand is necessary.



Keep telling yourself that. The margins have been closing for years between BW and BM and every few months y’all are crying about feeling left out and left behind. It’s not BW complaining, remember that.

How many times are y’all gonna make the same threads and discussions about BW being “given” all this attention and praise while black hetero men aren’t? This obviously a growing concern among a lot of you. You say “we are in the same boat” to cope. It’s okay bro.

You also love downplaying everything black women do—their educational merits, their advocacy, their money etc because you can’t feel comfortable in your “group” (BM) otherwise. That’s why you’re trying to convince us none of what we’ve accomplished means much. When BRING BACK OUR GIRLS campaign started, who was behind that? Black women. Michelle Obama got involved because of the online presence of black women. Right now there is major awareness and advocacy going on about black women being murdered by their black male partners, far more than any other group. Black Lives Matter, another campaign against police brutality SPEARHEADED by black women on the internet. The critiques you’ll surely respond with aren’t the point, it’s the point that BW have shown loyalty and organization that BM have not. So please shut the fukk up about what we “aren’t” doing and ask yourself what the fukk have black men done as a collective for the community? What have y’all spearheaded and changed? What have y’all brought attention to besides $200 dates and Kevin Samuels?

Just keep telling yourself that we are all in the same boat while your image continues to take a hit and there’s nobody left to defend or support you. shyt doesn’t have to be dire before you realize what’s going on. Open your eyes.
Theres nothing loyal about using corpses to take peoples money and then quitting being activist when the block is hot. The real activists are dead because they were feared.

Nothing loyal about leading in initiating in DV and child abuse
 
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bruh....a lot of black men are DATING divestors. It's really not that easy to "leave koon wenches behind". A lot of them play both sides ( Team WS and then act problack). I caught problack women on twitter that be in twitter spaces doing raceplay late at night. Ask @Phitz if you dont believe me
Nah, I know. I’m saying c00n wenches who make a damn clubhouse meeting talking shyt about bm and bw who are talking shyt to bm directly.

A lot of bw are insecure and think highly of non bm. Can’t really do anything about that, but don’t willingly be around bw who make it known if you can help it.
 

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The fatal flaw in this chest beating you're doing is that y'all are under the illusion that these cacs give a shyt about you.
You honestly believe that you're making your way up the social ladder purely by your own merit, and not because they're playing chess.
You're also deluded enough to believe that the current power structure is going to hand the reigns of power over to you because you dress nice and have a degree from an HBCU.
The final delusion you believe is that you're actually doing anything significant for Black people, women, or Black women specifically.
You're not stopping police killings, you're not repairing the Black family structure, you're not fixing income inequality for Black people.
You're not steering young Black women away from sex work as their first choice of employment.
You're not challenging the the stereotype of Black women as hypersexual hoodrats in mainstream media.
You're definitely not moving the needle as far as reducing sexual assault of women and children.
You're not helping the Black community understand political strategy, nor are you furthering our reparations claim.
You're quiet as church mice when Black women and girls are assaulted or murdered by white supremacists or other groups.
You're going to brunches, going to the Caribbean to take pictures of yourself for social media, and buying overpriced purses and calling that progress.
These cacs are giving you these pats on the heads, a title, a few extra coins, and a white boy's attention, because that's all it takes to recruit you as an agent against the Black community.
The sooner you realize that we're all in the same boat and that you need to get on code, then we'll move in the right direction by leaps and bounds.

Geez. He went in :patrice:
 

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I’m glad all it took was a man for you to understand simple logic.

I even gave the LGBTQ example and it still wasn’t clicking for you.

Social “clout” as a group gets you FAR. Period. It won’t be all that’s necessary and like you said economic power is important, but when you’re the bottom of the totem pole with no real PLANS to attain this phantom “economic power” the least you can do is control your image.

It’s not rocket science. It’s just like being an individual. When you’re respect by people you get far. When people hate you and are scared of you, you aren’t going to rise to the top of the company. You’re gonna stay right where you are because who the fukk wants to do you favors? Who wants to advocate for you? Nobody. You won’t be getting a raise anytime soon if you aren’t liked. Or you can just start your own company and not give a fukk about being liked, but not everyone has the resources or ability to do that.

Also, you’re pointing out negative aspects of each group but by and large, white men are still the most powerful and respected men on earth. Their social currency is top tier because they spent years upon years building systems to ensure that, no matter how depraved and violent they’ve been. People are more openly critical of them now which is good, but they still hold that social power.

Asian men outearn white men at every turn but please tell me how much power asian men have in this country? With all their money, they are still on their forums crying about losing their women to white men. Money is just ONE aspect, but social clout is imperative.

Asian men have recently gotten on code though. The tide is changing for them and I think K-POP is helping that. They realized the problem and are fixing it. That should be everyone’s goal.


You are bold and I like that, but no reason to project your perspective of what I was thinking onto me. You never hashed out your view of social clout. So I took it as my iwn interpretation.

White men's social clout comes from dominating the economic sphere for centuries. Not the other way around.

Another thing I think you are missing, people by and large don't respect white men. They tolerate them. Which is why their women are quick to divorce them and run off men of different racial groups. Or cheat on them, engaging in dehumanizing sexual dynamics i.e cuckolding. Paul manafort, who was Donald trumps campaign chair was giving his wife away to rooms full of black men.......that's not social clout

Why do you think white nationalism and chauvinism is a thing for many of these limpwristed caucasions. The liberal world order as reduced the white man's social clout to an incredible degree, they see it and they want it back.
 

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I'm not giving them "praise", I'm just observing that all women have made strides over the past decades and black women have gained some ground from what they (white women) have achieved as a collective group.

Stop pretending as if this is all organic and some sort of awakening...because truth be told what you see some BW doing is something that ALL women of all races have been doing for a decade or so now. White women have been there, done that--yall are playing catch up.

And enough with the nonsense--there are successful black men in all sectors of society. This wet dream that yall have that every black man is some 'baby boy' is a lie. Hell--if black men throughout history didn't pave the way, many of you wouldn't have even had the opportunities that you have today. But what's worse about all of this is that you're simply repeating white supremicist hate speech. Yall ought to know better.

And i’ll ask you again, if black women can play catch up, why can’t black men? It’s 2022 and y’all are crying every month about not being seen in television advertisements, lmao.

You’re talking as if black women didn’t have to fight for their right to vote AFTER “women” had the right to vote. You act like black women didn’t and don’t have their own specific issues they fought for and were easily given things because of WW. Do you know how ahistorical that is?

You are downplaying the strides that they’ve made in a sexist and racist society…why? What are you trying to gain here? White women were not handing out treats trying to get BW on their side. WW have consistently opposed BW throughout history. Do you know nothing about, “AINT I WOMEN?”

Even if what you’re saying is true, you have yet to explain why black men can’t do the same? Simply follow the white mans blueprint and dig yourselves out of the hole.
 

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When you say this, how do you envision this happening?
BTW, props for entering this convo.

The BM who have resources and wealth coming together to build more. In other words, say your a breh who's an attorney and you know a few other brehs elsewhere that are also attorneys--why don't all of you eventually come together and start your own firm? The brehs who are celebs, yes they do great things for their communities--we need more of that, more brehs coming together to build schools, to create programs for little boys, to come in and mentor little boys, to encourage more black boys to get into STEM careers and go to HBCUS. More black brehs coming together to police neighborhoods (especially from gangs) the same way we see crazy Karen's and Brads policing their neighborhoods calling the police on anyone who looks suspect. More brehs getting on the brehs who are commiting the violence in our communities, killing children, women, and making them so unsafe. Brehs coming together and using their money to buy land, to buy communities, to start businesses and hire more of us at the businesses. Brehs teaching financial literacy classes, entreprenership classes, and other vital skills to young brehs to help set them up for life. More brehs being involved in their children's lives--people constantly bring up single mothers and it's a fair point, but the mothers are the ones who stick around, the men don't, and women can't raise a boy into a man, only a man can. We need more men involved in their kid's lives, even if they aren't involved withe the mother. Honestly I feel like more brehs should probably even get full custody of their sons starting at certain age, but that's another point. Starting more organizations to support boys. One advantage I see white parents doing is they take their little boys camping and hunting, teaching them survival skills and other masculine activities at young ages. We need more brehs reframining what is masculinity--tying it to other activities outside of their dikks, rap, and other things that have honestly been very harmful to brehs overall.

We need black male teachers and probably black male schools. As men, there's expectation for you to be the leaders. To lead the change you want to see. Yall complain about our community being a matriarchy, but as men yall can rise up and take it back, but some of yall just want to complain about it and aren't taking actions to band together with other bm to make it happen.

And if brehs really want the whole community behind them, giving them support, it does start with them supporting their women and their children as well. As the saying goes, behind every strong man is strong women lifting them up. And in the past BW were lifting BM up, but it's becoming less and less, because BW haven't seen returns. What I mean is that at the end of the day, as much shyt as WW talk about WM, they know who butters their bread-they know WM provide resources, jobs, safe communities, stability, etc. They know WM are always putting them on pedestals and making the rest of us consume content centered on how beautiful are WW--even when they can't stand their women, even when their women are on platforms going against them and targeting them. Wm will still throw everyone under the bus for their own women. The harsh reality is that in a lot of cases, BW are getting, jobs, finances, resources and help more from WM than from brehs. They *feel* as if they get more support from each other and the friendships and networks they've built than from brehs.

Meanwhile, marriage rate is low, Brehettes aren't able to practice to assortive mating like other groups:https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/marriagble-men-release.pdf

Brehs have been putting their women down, getting upset when WM invest in us because they are unable to, saying we aren't desirable and no on wants us, sharing every other negative stereoytpe about us, while boosting up nonbw. Then they turn around and ask BW to support them--do you see the disconnect? When you look at the big picture, it almost makes sense that some brehettes have resorted to admiring wm--because WM are giving bw resources, jobs, etc--things that BM are not. BW want BM to do that for them. BW want BM to put them above other women, to be more loyal to them.

BW would probably stop going in on yall and being so hateful and angry if they saw more of that happening, if we're keeping it buck, because a lot of that hatred is disappointment, frustration, and anger. And I do think some of the points @Lemons has made have been on on point about other groups not respecting BM. But I think doing the above things (helping police and maintain safe communities, building more schools, businesses, land and communities, getting married and/or at least being more active in your children's lives, putting your own women above there's, etc) would earn more respect from brehettes and from other groups.

Of course this is just my opinions based on the conversations I've had with other BW.
 

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You are bold and I like that, but no reason to project your perspective of what I was thinking onto me. You never hashed out your view of social clout. So I took it as my iwn interpretation.

White men's social clout comes from dominating the economic sphere for centuries. Not the other way around.

Another thing I think you are missing, people by and large don't respect white men. They tolerate them. Which is why their women are quick to divorce them and run off men of different racial groups. Or cheat on them, engaging in dehumanizing sexual dynamics i.e cuckolding. Paul manafort, who was Donald trumps campaign chair was giving his wife away to rooms full of black men.......that's not social clout

Why do you think white nationalism and chauvinism is a thing for many of these limpwristed caucasions. The liberal world order as reduced the white man's social clout to an incredible degree, they see it and they want it back.

Okay.

So now what. What is your plan for economic power? How do you feasible see black men attaining economic power? I’m genuinely curious.
 

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Okay.

So now what. What is your plan for economic power? How do you feasible see black men attaining economic power? I’m genuinely curious.


I am only one man and any plan that I put out for the broader group of people is virtually pointless.

However I am already educated and working in a technical field that gives me the skillet to create my own company. With that company I plan on hiring black men and women specifically to ensure that they are capable of maintaining themselves and/or their familiy economically.

I am going to marry a black woman to ensure that my assets go to fully black offspring and I hope to cultivate an enriching family environment where there is peace, love and harmony which allows my children to focus on becoming educated and taking on the family business or striking out in a another technical field.


That's all I can do as a lone black man at this point.

If others take the same path, we can overcome many things.


Economic power is a micro viewpoint at this stage, we need to set the building blocks first.


With the capital I would attain from my business I can influence local politicians to work for the betterment of the black race specifically.
 

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And i’ll ask you again, if black women can play catch up, why can’t black men? It’s 2022 and y’all are crying every month about not being seen in television advertisements, lmao.

You’re talking as if black women didn’t have to fight for their right to vote AFTER “women” had the right to vote. You act like black women didn’t and don’t have their own specific issues they fought for and were easily given things because of WW. Do you know how ahistorical that is?

You are downplaying the strides that they’ve made in a sexist and racist society…why? What are you trying to gain here? White women were not handing out treats trying to get BW on their side. WW have consistently opposed BW throughout history. Do you know nothing about, “AINT I WOMEN?”

Even if what you’re saying is true, you have yet to explain why black men can’t do the same? Simply follow the white mans blueprint and dig yourselves out of the hole.
Who said we weren't? Black Men have higher incomes (adjusted for inflation), there are more black male college graduates and there are more black men in higher positions of authority than there have ever been. There are more black mayors, congressman, police chiefs, CEOs lawyers, doctors, (US Presidents). CEOs etc etc than there were 30 years ago.

If we compared black women to the 'Karens' and "Ming Lings" of the world and where BW fall short collectively--yall would have a fit.

And you say black men are "crying", yet black women yelp, and holler the second a white, asian of hispanic woman is advertised and promoted ahead of yall--and then you want to have discussions n shyt about "colorism" LOL. But when black men want a discussion about how society views us as "men", then all of a sudden you have closed ears and tough love speeches lol.

And you keep talking about "strides"my point is...we have ALL made strides...and if you narrow it down by gender, ALL women have been making strides. Yall didn't start it and some of you are gaining traction based on what white women have done over the past 20 years. I'm not talking about the sufferage movement, or the 1950s or some shyt...Im talking about the last 20 years...White women have made big gains in social status (both professionally and socially), the mere fact that some black women have done the same isn't really saying too much.
 

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There's a reason why this book was made way back in 1987. People like @Lemons who THINK they know what they're talking about need to read this then get back at me

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Yes. This shyt starts in the 1st grade. Notice how they treat Black boys and how they treat Black girls. They’ll put the black girls in gifted programs, and the Black boys in special ed. Same thing in high school. The girls go to honors and AP classes, and the boys are neglected.

There's a reason why this book was made way back in 1987


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Why don't black boys do good in school like black girls? What needs to be done to fix it?
 
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