Is society promoting Black Women and leaving Black Men behind?

[Formerly Black Trash]

I am speaking socially that’s why I asked what have black men done as a group, to change their image. I clarified in my response.

Social clout is important for mobilization which is why black women have made visible strides in that arena. It’s also why the LGBTQ community has gotten several bills passed despite being a very small percentage of the population. The only way to get significant social and in turn economic advancement is to first get allies and be respected. BW have made significant strides in these areas because they have proven to be loyal, motivated and useful.

And I don’t understand what you mean, “but that education is in service fields.” ?? Are service fields inherently bad? Are you implying their education is useless or less than because they aren’t building rocket ships and researching cancer? When people hear black women are educated, they aren’t looking into the details of what they are doing. Getting educated is proof of discipline, motivation and self sufficiency if nothing else. These are all valuable qualities you want as a group.

This is disgusting c00nery

"Black women are where they are because they fought for It, let the men fend for ourselves, even our sons"

Black women(black people period)don't even have enough leverage or power in this country to push a campaign on the level were seeing

It's all at white peoples behest

 

[bl2k8]

yeah her district was mostly white people and she blamed us. she an AKA gatekeeper, so shes her slavemasters daughter

Lol was the vote discrepancy between bm and bw in her district that big?

 

[FeverPitch2]

Black women are out here rallying together, bonding, forming social groups and most importantly getting their image, likeness and perspective RESPECTED because they demand it. That’s why you are seeing a change. Black men have the worst reputation and apparently do nothing to combat that as a group. That’s on y’all to figure out.

Historically, black men have never been respected as a group but at least their women respected them and catered to them. Not anymore. Black women are tired of being mules and publicly humiliated by those very same men and have chosen to move on together to greener pastures. Blame yourselves for that.

Stop crying about where you are at in life and think about why no one respects you and how you can change that. Firstly, stop making excuses and blaming everyone for your plight. No one respects pitiful men. Advocate for strong SMART black male leaders who do more than sit behind and desk and talk all day on a podcast. Surely you can find decent black men whose lifestyle is admirable to be the face of a movement? And no not rappers and athletes, actually academically trained black men who aren’t sellouts and live for the people.

The truth is black women have always been the glue to the black community. What you’re witnessing is the glue moving on and leaving y’all to pick up the pieces. That’s why y’all feel the way you do: hopeless, left behind, confused, betrayed, emasculated etc. Instead of moving WITH black women, many of you focus on combating them—but where does that get you? Exactly where you are today: by yourself with no one at all caring about you or your representation as a people.

The positive note is that it is not too late to turn things around. Good luck.

LMAO. Go back to Twitter with this horseshyt.

 

[King Static X]

Being respected or cared for is inconsequential when you have economic viability to back you. Men don't care about that stuff, nor should we.


You got me there. Howsoever black men are still earning 12k more on average.

You can argue that the percentage is only because black women out number black men to begin with.

Nah, we (Black men) need to increase our social clout as well. East Asian men by and large are economically & financially respected. However, they are NOT socially respected, in general. This hurts East Asian men substantially. The main image people have of East Asian men is that they are "weak, demure, soft, effeminate, weird, nerdy, geeks, etc".

Outside of entertainment and sports, Black men are not viewed in a positive light and we MUST change that. But too many Black men are nonchalant about doing so or simply don't care at all.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Nah, we (Black men) need to increase our social clout as well. East Asian men by and large are economically & financially respected. However, they are NOT socially respected, in general. This hurts East Asian men substantially. The main image people have of East Asian men is that they are "weak, demure, soft, effeminate, weird, nerdy, geeks, etc".

Outside of entertainment and sports, Black men are not viewed in a positive light and we MUST change that. But too many Black men are nonchalant about doing so or simply don't care at all.

Ah fair, I see what you mean @Lemons


I just don't understand how you can counter the narrative without some length of economic clout

But I have to ask, is there any group of men with a substantial degree of positive social clout.

The narrative of Asian men are that they effeminate, white men are basically in the same basket but to a lesser degree. Black men are hyoermasculine, violent and duplicitous and Latin men are hypermasculine with the penchant for domestic abuse.

I don't know one group of men with a positive social narrative.

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

i'm not on social media (except on here where black women are far from "promoted" lol) and i don't consume much tv.
but stats say black women are all kinds of fukked up in different aspects of life... health, wealth, relationships, etc.


#THINK

 

[FeverPitch2]

Lol.

This is exactly the mentality that leads you all exactly where you are today: nowhere. With no allies and zero respect.

Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. “agent, bedwench, plant, cac, non-ADOS” whatever it is you can get your hands on to attack the messenger instead of the message…that’s the only way y’all know how to rally. That’s it. No plans, no goals, no valid points, no objective displays of understanding. Just blame, attack, break down credibility and then you’re on to the next topic to circle jerk about how “the government” or “the white man” or “the media” is turning everyone against you and hiring losers to tap dance and destroy your image. How’s that working out for y’all? Lmao.

But I will answer your question before you go ranting about how I avoided it—because again, that’s all y’all do. Yes I am BLACK American. I advocate for the progress of BLACK Americans above all else. I do not support groups who show faulty questionable leadership that does more harm than good and discourages unity based on silly acronyms and cult like worship of people, instead of prioritizing the cause. Which is the advancement of the black people of American heritage.

It’s high time we take responsibility for our communities. Black women understand the assignment and have made progress. Black men have not. I’m off the coddling and bullshyt. If that makes you think i’m an LSA agent “bedwench” or whatever, that’s fine. But my passion stems from the fact that I want better for us as a people and we won’t get there together unless we 1. acknowledge the faults and take accountability. Many of you don’t like that and blame those of us who speak truth as being agents.

Y’all been complaining about the same shyt for 5 years now and what has changed except black women leaving you even further behind? What are you ACTUALLY doing to change your image as a collective? What are your actual ideas besides “the white man hates us”? Okay we know that. Now what? Are y’all gonna continue sitting on blogs shaking your fists, or are you going to stop whining and hit the ground running like your women have? White people aren’t just handing things to black women for no reason, we are going to school. We are demanding raises. We are organizing rallies. We have built online social groups to get our messages across and swarm on people who disrespect us and our image. Can black men say the same? Despite what you think I want the same for black men. But that will not happen until y’all can admit the truth.

The fatal flaw in this chest beating you're doing is that y'all are under the illusion that these cacs give a shyt about you.
You honestly believe that you're making your way up the social ladder purely by your own merit, and not because they're playing chess.
You're also deluded enough to believe that the current power structure is going to hand the reigns of power over to you because you dress nice and have a degree from an HBCU.
The final delusion you believe is that you're actually doing anything significant for Black people, women, or Black women specifically.
You're not stopping police killings, you're not repairing the Black family structure, you're not fixing income inequality for Black people.
You're not steering young Black women away from sex work as their first choice of employment.
You're not challenging the the stereotype of Black women as hypersexual hoodrats in mainstream media.
You're definitely not moving the needle as far as reducing sexual assault of women and children.
You're not helping the Black community understand political strategy, nor are you furthering our reparations claim.
You're quiet as church mice when Black women and girls are assaulted or murdered by white supremacists or other groups.
You're going to brunches, going to the Caribbean to take pictures of yourself for social media, and buying overpriced purses and calling that progress.
These cacs are giving you these pats on the heads, a title, a few extra coins, and a white boy's attention, because that's all it takes to recruit you as an agent against the Black community.
The sooner you realize that we're all in the same boat and that you need to get on code, then we'll move in the right direction by leaps and bounds.

 

[Wild self]

Stay sleep black men

@mamba

 

[FeverPitch2]

@mamba

This is the shyt I'm talking about.
These sisters turned into agents who are doing the dirty work for the WS and are actively trying to get us out the paint.

 

[Wild self]

This is the shyt I'm talking about.
These sisters turned into agents who are doing the dirty work for the WS and are actively trying to get us out the paint.

Yep. Talking down to black men and say we are worthless, while being off code as well @Benjamin Sisko . She wants black men gone from mainstream society.

If I tag *them*, that Lemon broad is as good as finished.

 

[filial_piety]

@Lemons I appreciate you commentary and while I think there is overarching validity to the point that black people need to find ways around or through the hard place. It's misguided to say black women are leaving black men behind.

Black women earn 4k less per year than black men.

Black women may be more educated but that education is in service related fields su h as human resources and liberal arts.

What I will say is that black women have been more loyal to the black race than black men on average and are more vocal on that fact through social media.


None of that equates to leaving anyone behind though.

What Lemons is proposing is a disingenuous argument that is inherently flawed. Many of these neo-nazi lite modern day "boot strap" speeches that make their away across the black twittersphere by these tribes of black women are bent on squarely comparing two groups that really don't have much to compare outside of being the same race.

You cannot compare economic and societal gains between black men and black women without discussing the social and economical dynamics that make men and women different from one another in the first place.

All of this "black women are excelling" can only truly be measured and compared to what other women are doing. If you check the stats, women collectively attend and graduate college at higher numbers than men do--yet men across the spectrum out earn women per capita. More men are incarcerated disproportionately, and men generally die earlier, and per capita men are much more likely to die from homicide by comparison to women (regardless of race). The reasons for that are pretty much similar across the board.

All of those neo-nazi like arguments that they use to degrade BM are pretty much generally true for all men regardless of race.

That being said...

Now if you compare Black women to white women--they fall dead last in everything as well. They are less educated, less healthy, die earlier, have lower incomes and are incarcerated at higher rates and have a lower net worth by comparison. So there really isn't any strong reason for any of them to do any finger pointing or blaming or give any "tough love" speeches, because if you begin to measure the success white and asian women, they'll become quieter than a church mouse pissing on cotton.

Anyway...

If you really look at the full picture of what has been going on--women as a whole are becoming a fad in all sectors of society. [White] women have made HUGE gains all across the board in the last 20 years. It has become very fashionable to make them CEOs, to recruit and admit them into professional schools, and to make them more visible in what was traditionally held as men's spaces (political appointments, TV anchors etc etc). Black women really are just riding the tail end of it all....they aren't necessarily doing anything special that other women haven't been doing.

 

[Lemons]

Nah, we (Black men) need to increase our social clout as well. East Asian men by and large are economically & financially respected. However, they are NOT socially respected, in general. This hurts East Asian men substantially. The main image people have of East Asian men is that they are "weak, demure, soft, effeminate, weird, nerdy, geeks, etc".

Outside of entertainment and sports, Black men are not viewed in a positive light and we MUST change that. But too many Black men are nonchalant about doing so or simply don't care at all.

Seeee you get it!! A social rebrand is necessary.

The fatal flaw in this chest beating you're doing is that y'all are under the illusion that these cacs give a shyt about you.
You honestly believe that you're making your way up the social ladder purely by your own merit, and not because they're playing chess.
You're also deluded enough to believe that the current power structure is going to hand the reigns of power over to you because you dress nice and have a degree from an HBCU.
The final delusion you believe is that you're actually doing anything significant for Black people, women, or Black women specifically.
You're not stopping police killings, you're not repairing the Black family structure, you're not fixing income inequality for Black people.
You're not steering young Black women away from sex work as their first choice of employment.
You're not challenging the the stereotype of Black women as hypersexual hoodrats in mainstream media.
You're definitely not moving the needle as far as reducing sexual assault of women and children.
You're not helping the Black community understand political strategy, nor are you furthering our reparations claim.
You're quiet as church mice when Black women and girls are assaulted or murdered by white supremacists or other groups.
You're going to brunches, going to the Caribbean to take pictures of yourself for social media, and buying overpriced purses and calling that progress.
These cacs are giving you these pats on the heads, a title, a few extra coins, and a white boy's attention, because that's all it takes to recruit you as an agent against the Black community.
The sooner you realize that we're all in the same boat and that you need to get on code, then we'll move in the right direction by leaps and bounds.

Keep telling yourself that. The margins have been closing for years between BW and BM and every few months y’all are crying about feeling left out and left behind. It’s not BW complaining, remember that.

How many times are y’all gonna make the same threads and discussions about BW being “given” all this attention and praise while black hetero men aren’t? This obviously a growing concern among a lot of you. You say “we are in the same boat” to cope. It’s okay bro.

You also love downplaying everything black women do—their educational merits, their advocacy, their money etc because you can’t feel comfortable in your “group” (BM) otherwise. That’s why you’re trying to convince us none of what we’ve accomplished means much. When BRING BACK OUR GIRLS campaign started, who was behind that? Black women. Michelle Obama got involved because of the online presence of black women. Right now there is major awareness and advocacy going on about black women being murdered by their black male partners, far more than any other group. Black Lives Matter, another campaign against police brutality SPEARHEADED by black women on the internet. The critiques you’ll surely respond with aren’t the point, it’s the point that BW have shown loyalty and organization that BM have not. So please shut the fukk up about what we “aren’t” doing and ask yourself what the fukk have black men done as a collective for the community? What have y’all spearheaded and changed? What have y’all brought attention to besides $200 dates and Kevin Samuels?

Just keep telling yourself that we are all in the same boat while your image continues to take a hit and there’s nobody left to defend or support you. shyt doesn’t have to be dire before you realize what’s going on. Open your eyes.

 

[Lemons]

What Lemons is proposing is a disingenuous argument that is inherently flawed. Many of these neo-nazi lite modern day "boot strap" speeches that make their away across the black twittersphere by these tribes of black women are bent on squarely comparing two groups that really don't have much to compare outside of being the same race.

You cannot compare economic and societal gains between black men and black women without discussing the social and economical dynamics that make men and women different from one another in the first place.

All of this "black women are excelling" can only truly be measured and compared to what other women are doing. If you check the stats, women collectively attend and graduate college at higher numbers than men do--yet men across the spectrum out earn women per capita. More men are incarcerated disproportionately, and men generally die earlier, and per capita men are much more likely to die from homicide by comparison to women (regardless of race). The reasons for that are pretty much similar across the board.

All of those neo-nazi like arguments that they use to degrade BM are pretty much generally true for all men regardless of race.

That being said...

Now if you compare Black women to white women--they fall dead last in everything as well. They are less educated, less healthy, die earlier, have lower incomes and are incarcerated at higher rates and have a lower net worth by comparison. So there really isn't any strong reason for any of them to do any finger pointing or blaming or give any "tough love" speeches, because if you begin to measure the success white and asian women, they'll become quieter than a church mouse pissing on cotton.

Anyway...

If you really look at the full picture of what has been going on--women as a whole are becoming a fad in all sectors of society. [White] women have made HUGE gains all across the board in the last 20 years. It has become very fashionable to make them CEOs, to recruit and admit them into professional schools, and to make them more visible in what was traditionally held as men's spaces (political appointments, TV anchors etc etc). Black women really are just riding the tail end of it all....they aren't necessarily doing anything special that other women haven't been doing.

So you’re giving white women praise for the progress black women have made? Lmao. Shocker.

If only black men could do the same a ride white mens glory. Oh I forgot, y’all got a million excuses why that’s not possible.

Your argument is ridiculous, btw.

 

[HarlemHottie]

It’s the “giving” part that makes me itch b/c nobody in this society GIVES anybody blk anything. AND they damn sure don’t give anything blk and female anything.

So Goldman didn't just earmark 10 BILLION explicitly for black women?

 

[filial_piety]

So you’re giving white women praise for the progress black women have made? Lmao. Shocker.

If only black men could do the same a ride white mens glory. Oh I forgot, y’all got a million excuses why that’s not possible.

Your argument is ridiculous, btw.

I'm not giving them "praise", I'm just observing that all women have made strides over the past decades and black women have gained some ground from what they (white women) have achieved as a collective group.

Stop pretending as if this is all organic and some sort of awakening...because truth be told what you see some BW doing is something that ALL women of all races have been doing for a decade or so now. White women have been there, done that--yall are playing catch up.

And enough with the nonsense--there are successful black men in all sectors of society. This wet dream that yall have that every black man is some 'baby boy' is a lie. Hell--if black men throughout history didn't pave the way, many of you wouldn't have even had the opportunities that you have today. But what's worse about all of this is that you're simply repeating white supremicist hate speech. Yall ought to know better.