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Lol.

This is exactly the mentality that leads you all exactly where you are today: nowhere. With no allies and zero respect.

Deflect deflect deflect. Blame blame blame. “agent, bedwench, plant, cac, non-ADOS” whatever it is you can get your hands on to attack the messenger instead of the message…that’s the only way y’all know how to rally. That’s it. No plans, no goals, no valid points, no objective displays of understanding. Just blame, attack, break down credibility and then you’re on to the next topic to circle jerk about how “the government” or “the white man” or “the media” is turning everyone against you and hiring losers to tap dance and destroy your image. How’s that working out for y’all? Lmao.

But I will answer your question before you go ranting about how I avoided it—because again, that’s all y’all do. Yes I am BLACK American. I advocate for the progress of BLACK Americans above all else. I do not support groups who show faulty questionable leadership that does more harm than good and discourages unity based on silly acronyms and cult like worship of people, instead of prioritizing the cause. Which is the advancement of the black people of American heritage.

It’s high time we take responsibility for our communities. Black women understand the assignment and have made progress. Black men have not. I’m off the coddling and bullshyt. If that makes you think i’m an LSA agent “bedwench” or whatever, that’s fine. But my passion stems from the fact that I want better for us as a people and we won’t get there together unless we 1. acknowledge the faults and take accountability. Many of you don’t like that and blame those of us who speak truth as being agents.

Y’all been complaining about the same shyt for 5 years now and what has changed except black women leaving you even further behind? What are you ACTUALLY doing to change your image as a collective? What are your actual ideas besides “the white man hates us”? Okay we know that. Now what? Are y’all gonna continue sitting on blogs shaking your fists, or are you going to stop whining and hit the ground running like your women have? White people aren’t just handing things to black women for no reason, we are going to school. We are demanding raises. We are organizing rallies. We have built online social groups to get our messages across and swarm on people who disrespect us and our image. Can black men say the same? Despite what you think I want the same for black men. But that will not happen until y’all can admit the truth.
I've noticed this as well. The problem with black men is that a lot of us want to escape the black community due to our awful childhoods. This is especailly true once we get money. This is something that needs to be fixed by BOTH black men and women. Lets not act like black women dont always tell black boys "your daddy wasnt s**t". These sort of things affect young black boys and many end up fleeing the community once they come up.
 

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@Lemons I appreciate you commentary and while I think there is overarching validity to the point that black people need to find ways around or through the hard place. It's misguided to say black women are leaving black men behind.

Black women earn 4k less per year than black men.

Black women may be more educated but that education is in service related fields su h as human resources and liberal arts.

What I will say is that black women have been more loyal to the black race than black men on average and are more vocal on that fact through social media.


None of that equates to leaving anyone behind though.
 

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I agree with you about us as black men needing to continually progress and I understand your passion. You assert that black men are being left behind in the black community but what evidence do you have to prove that? We need accurate and honest data before we can have this conversations we can't just rely on theories or gut feelings about the state of black men in America.


Have you read any of the work of Dr. Tommy Curry by chance?


He debunks a lot of the myth about black men.




Me saying they are being left behind is in response to OP’s point that the media is pretty much doing away with black hetero males. We all see it.

“Black people” are now being distinctly categorized as “black women” and “black men”. BW are seen as the “good blacks” and BM the “bad blacks”. BW are praised for their voting habits, BM are dragged. BW are praised for the educational attainment, BM are dragged. BW are being put in powerful positions linked to non-black men, further illustrating this divide. Add to that the current stream of random attacks by black males and you can see that their social profile is very low. In this way, BM are being socially left behind. Hence the constant discussions on what we are all witnessing.

The reason that is an issue is because social reputation is important for social progress. If BM are seen as the “white people of the black community” (not my words)—they will never have social allies or anyones respect. And now we are seeing them being phased out altogether because who cares what they think? Who cares to cater to a group of men who have nothing and are “terrors to every community they step foot in”? This is what they say and wholeheartedly believe. But I will always believe we need each other and things aren’t too far gone. We just have to organize better as a people.

And no I haven’t read that but I just looked it up and it has great reviews so i’ll look into it.
 

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They try to hinder anyone that will fight back against what they are trying to do. World takeover/World Government

Black men can see these people aren't for us. A majority of black women go along with the agenda (feminism/LGBTQ/abortion/transhumanism/etc)...Part of that is because they need to be taught, but a lot of it is because that's just who they are. They've been destroying the black community with this stuff for years.

We didn't create this current financial system that american black women have in their minds that they "depend" on to survive. It was all a ploy for europeans to control the world from the beginning. That's part of why you see countries outside of that fighting back. China, Russia, Iran, etc.
 
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@Lemons I appreciate you commentary and while I think there is overarching validity to the point that black people need to find ways around or through the hard place. It's misguided to say black women are leaving black men behind.

Black women earn 4k less per year than black men.

Black women may be more educated but that education is in service related fields su h as human resources and liberal arts.

What I will say is that black women have been more loyal to the black race than black men on average and are more vocal on that fact through social media.


None of that equates to leaving anyone behind though.

I am speaking socially that’s why I asked what have black men done as a group, to change their image. I clarified in my response.

Social clout is important for mobilization which is why black women have made visible strides in that arena. It’s also why the LGBTQ community has gotten several bills passed despite being a very small percentage of the population. The only way to get significant social and in turn economic advancement is to first get allies and be respected. BW have made significant strides in these areas because they have proven to be loyal, motivated and useful.

And I don’t understand what you mean, “but that education is in service fields.” ?? Are service fields inherently bad? Are you implying their education is useless or less than because they aren’t building rocket ships and researching cancer? When people hear black women are educated, they aren’t looking into the details of what they are doing. Getting educated is proof of discipline, motivation and self sufficiency if nothing else. These are all valuable qualities you want as a group.
 
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I am speaking socially that’s why I asked what have black men done as a group, to change their image. I clarified in my response.

Social clout is important for mobilization which is why black women have made visible strides in that arena. It’s also why the LGBTQ community has gotten several bills passed despite being a very small percentage of the population. The only way to get significant social and in turn economic advancement is to first get allies and be respected. BW have made significant strides in these areas.
So black men have to enhance their social clout?
 

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So black men have to enhance their social clout?

To put it in simple terms, yes.

You aren’t going to make much progress if people don’t respect you, have no reason to respect you, want nothing to do with you, won’t listen to you and see you as a nuisance to themselves and everyone else.

But improving your social “clout” is primarily for your own well-being and community. You do that by being asset to your community, utilizing whatever power you have to unify your people and advocate for them.
 

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I am speaking socially that’s why I asked what have black men done as a group, to change their image. I clarified in my response.

Social clout is important for mobilization which is why black women have made visible strides in that arena. It’s also why the LGBTQ community has gotten several bills passed despite being a very small percentage of the population. The only way to get significant social and in turn economic advancement is to first get allies and be respected. BW have made significant strides in these areas because they have proven to be loyal, motivated and useful.

And I don’t understand what you mean, “but that education is in service fields.” ?? Are service fields inherently bad? Are you implying their education is useless or less than because they aren’t building rocket ships and researching cancer? When people hear black women are educated, they aren’t looking into the details of what they are doing. Getting educated is proof of discipline, motivation and self sufficiency if nothing else. These are all valuable qualities you want as a group.


I agree on your first couple paragraphs.

What I mean on the education piece is that liberal arts and social science degrees don't give you a lot of headway in carving out control for economic power.

The stuff about education proving dedication is meaningless of the educatio. You pursue ensures you a job that is know skilled and puts you first in line to be fire when job cuts take place.

If black women are becoming doctors, engineers and scientists. Then you have a point.
 

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Another reason why black men struggle with bondship is because they don't want their weaknesses vurnable to another man..

Reasoning being in alot of cases(especially today) instead of handling issues private . Theyll go in public or on Social media and try to humiliate that person:

"Dont make me tell everyone about you crying to me for help on bills nikka! I TOOK CARE OF YOUR KIDS NIKKA!
 

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To put it in simple terms, yes.

You aren’t going to make much progress if people don’t respect you, have no reason to respect you, want nothing to do with you, won’t listen to you and see you as a nuisance to themselves and everyone else.

But improving your social “clout” is primarily for your own well-being and community. You do that by being asset to your community, utilizing whatever power you have to unify your people and advocate for them.


No, black men have to enhance our economic standing. Everything else is secondary.

Enhancing social clout is nothing more than asking for a seat at the table.

Economic clout is building your own table.

I don't put that responsibility on the woman however, that's the man's job
 
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