Is Mike Tyson a consensus Top10 Heavyweight of All Time or no?

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Lmao. Weak ass argument. None of those guys are seeing tyson let alone as dominant as he was. Stop

No thats your weak ass arguement. How can you call someones arguement weak when you havent even taken the time to watch someone fight :stopitslime:

AND AGAIN DOMINANT AGAINST WHO????? Motherfukkers who had other jobs when they fought Mike.
 

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:wtf: Da fukk are you talking about? Tyson's prime is arguably equivalent to Shaq's. The mix of power, speed, technique, and ferocity makes Tyson absolutely legendary under any metric.
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mike wasn't beating lennox no matter what version we're talking.

evander though...we talking roided evander or just post heart failure via roids evander? :troll:
 

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nope.

Evander was always a better fighter/boxer than Mike, and Evander was never scared of Mike either, even as kids, so Tyson's psychological advantage wouldn't have mattered with Holyfield.
holyfield was roided out of his mind the two times he fought mike so let's not get ahead of ourselves here and just write that '91 fight off as an obvious tyson win
 

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Yes, he's top 10. I don't want to make excuses but he was robbed of years in his prime and he was never going to be the same after that. He never was. He was still a tough muthafukka and could beat most heavyweights but you can't lose years like that and then expect to beat Evander and Lewis.

He was wasting his talents prior to the Douglas fight tho. death hit him hard out here drinking and fukking whores not giving a fukk... probably got robbed in the fight too, Douglas was down for 10 :manny:
you are doing just that cos ali got robbed of his prime physical years and still washed everyone and has a top 5 resumé
 
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1/22/1986 Trevor Berbick Win TKO, 2
9/06/1986 Alfonzo Ratliff Win TKO, 2
8/17/1986 Jose Ribalta Win TKO, 10
7/26/1986 Marvis Frazier Win KO, 1
7/11/1986 Lorenzo Boyd Win KO, 2
6/28/1986 William Hosea Win KO, 1
6/13/1986 Reggie Gross Win TKO, 1
5/20/1986 Mitch Green Win UD, 10
5/03/1986 James Tillis Win UD, 10
3/10/1986 Steve Zouski Win KO, 3
2/16/1986 Jesse Ferguson Win TKO, 6
1/24/1986 Mike Jameson Win TKO, 5
1/11/1986 David Jaco Win TKO, 1
12/27/1985 Mark Young Win TKO, 1
12/06/1985 Sammy Scaff Win TKO, 1
11/22/1985 Conroy Nelson Win TKO, 2
11/13/1985 Eddie Richardson Win KO, 1
11/01/1985 Sterling Benjamin Win TKO, 1
10/25/1985 Robert Colay Win KO, 1
10/09/1985 Donnie Long Win TKO, 1
9/05/1985 Michael Johnson Win KO, 1
8/15/1985 Lorenzo Canady Win KO, 1
7/19/1985 Larry Sims Win KO, 3
7/11/1985 John Alderson Win RTD, 2
6/20/1985 Ricardo Spain Win TKO, 1
5/23/1985 Don Halpin Win KO, 4
4/10/1985 Trent Singleton Win TKO, 1
3/06/1985 Hector Mercedes Win TKO, 1

This is his run up to winning a title. Who are these nikkas.. everyone after up to losing to buster was shook. They fought for the payday. They didnt go in trying to win. Big difference..after Douglas he saw more and more tough fights against good fighters not great fighters good ones. Because that aura was burst by Douglas. Against Holyfield and Lewis he was food. Those are the only top ten heavyweights he faced.
this is dumb cause tyson didn't duck anyone. so who he was fighting was the top ranked fighters at the time. how did he get the belts? he beat the champions at the time.. all the other boxers were trying to do the same correct? why didn't they go 37-0?

he loses to buster.. he goes to jail.. he comes back and wins his next 4 fights and gets locked up.. comes up 4 years later, immediately beats 2 champions.

we all know what happened next.. he lost twice to holyfield, won some, lost to lewis, washed up and game over....



now lets look at holyfield up to his first loss... who the fukk was he fighting either?


Nov. 15 -- Lionel Byarm, New York, W 6
Jan. 20 -- Eric Winbush, Atlantic City, W 6
Mar.13 -- Freddie Brown, Norfolk, Virginia, KO 1
Apr. 20 -- Mark Rivera, Corpus Christi, Texas, KO 2
July 20 -- Tyrone Booze, Norfolk, Virginia, W 8
Aug. 29 -- Rick Myers, Atlanta, KO 1
Oct. 30 -- Jeff Meachem, Atlantic City, KO 5
Dec. 21 -- Anthony Davis, Virginia Beach, Virginia, KO 4
Mar. 1 -- Chisanda Mutti, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, KO 3
Apr. 6 -- Jesse Shelby, Corpus Christi, Texas, KO 3
May 28 -- Terry Mims, Metairie, Louisiana, KO 5
July 20 -- Dwight Qawi, Atlanta, W 15
(Captured WBA cruiserweight title)
Dec. 8 -- Michael Brothers, Paris, KO 3
Feb. 14 -- Henry Tillman, Reno, Nevada, TKO 7
(Retained WBA cruiserweight title)
May 15 -- Rickey Parkey, Las Vegas, TKO 3
(Unified WBA and IBF crusierweight titles)
Aug. 15 -- Ossie Ocasio, St. Tropez, France, TKO 11
(Retained WBA and IBF cruiserweight titles)
Dec. 4 -- Dwight Qawi, Atlantic City, TKO 4
(Retained WBA and IBF cruiserweight titles)
Apr. 9 -- Carlos DeLeon, Las Vegas, TKO 8
(Captured undisputed cruiserweight title)
July 16 -- James Tillis, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, KO 8
Dec. 9 -- Pinklon Thomas, Atlantic City, TKO 7
Mar. 11 -- Michael Dokes, Las Vegas, TKO 10
July 15 -- Adilson Rodrigues, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, KO 2
Nov. 4 -- Alex Stewart, Atlantic City, TKO 8
June 1 -- Seamus McDonagh, Atlantic City, TKO 4
Oct. 25 -- Buster Douglas, Las Vegas, KO 3
(Captured undisputed world heavyweight title)
Apr. 19 -- George Foreman, Atlantic City, W 12
(Retained undisputed world heavyweight title)
Nov. 23 -- Bert Cooper, Atlanta, TKO 7
(Retained undisputed world heavyweight title)
Jun. 19 -- Larry Holmes, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained undisputed world heavyweight title)


Nov. 13 -- Riddikk Bowe, Las Vegas, L 12
(Lost undisputed world heavyweight title)






whoever was in front of him and washed up legends... same as tyson.. then he'd lose to riddikk twice (is he better), moorer, luis, ruiz, byrd, toney... lewis record no different.. same with most boxers

in other words, you gotta judge what you see them doing vs who's hot at that time. if they come in and destroy champs and #1's and make them look like nobody's, then that's a testament to how great that boxer was. tyson was destroying people.. lost 1 and was destroying people.. then got his prime taken away and was still beating all but 2 guys up.. fukk yea he's top 10
 

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this is dumb cause tyson didn't duck anyone. so who he was fighting was the top ranked fighters at the time. how did he get the belts? he beat the champions at the time.. all the other boxers were trying to do the same correct? why didn't they go 37-0?

he loses to buster.. he goes to jail.. he comes back and wins his next 4 fights and gets locked up.. comes up 4 years later, immediately beats 2 champions.

we all know what happened next.. he lost twice to holyfield, won some, lost to lewis, washed up and game over....



now lets look at holyfield up to his first loss... who the fukk was he fighting either?


Nov. 15 -- Lionel Byarm, New York, W 6
Jan. 20 -- Eric Winbush, Atlantic City, W 6
Mar.13 -- Freddie Brown, Norfolk, Virginia, KO 1
Apr. 20 -- Mark Rivera, Corpus Christi, Texas, KO 2
July 20 -- Tyrone Booze, Norfolk, Virginia, W 8
Aug. 29 -- Rick Myers, Atlanta, KO 1
Oct. 30 -- Jeff Meachem, Atlantic City, KO 5
Dec. 21 -- Anthony Davis, Virginia Beach, Virginia, KO 4
Mar. 1 -- Chisanda Mutti, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, KO 3
Apr. 6 -- Jesse Shelby, Corpus Christi, Texas, KO 3
May 28 -- Terry Mims, Metairie, Louisiana, KO 5
July 20 -- Dwight Qawi, Atlanta, W 15
(Captured WBA cruiserweight title)
Dec. 8 -- Michael Brothers, Paris, KO 3
Feb. 14 -- Henry Tillman, Reno, Nevada, TKO 7
(Retained WBA cruiserweight title)
May 15 -- Rickey Parkey, Las Vegas, TKO 3
(Unified WBA and IBF crusierweight titles)
Aug. 15 -- Ossie Ocasio, St. Tropez, France, TKO 11
(Retained WBA and IBF cruiserweight titles)
Dec. 4 -- Dwight Qawi, Atlantic City, TKO 4
(Retained WBA and IBF cruiserweight titles)
Apr. 9 -- Carlos DeLeon, Las Vegas, TKO 8
(Captured undisputed cruiserweight title)
July 16 -- James Tillis, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, KO 8
Dec. 9 -- Pinklon Thomas, Atlantic City, TKO 7
Mar. 11 -- Michael Dokes, Las Vegas, TKO 10
July 15 -- Adilson Rodrigues, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, KO 2
Nov. 4 -- Alex Stewart, Atlantic City, TKO 8
June 1 -- Seamus McDonagh, Atlantic City, TKO 4
Oct. 25 -- Buster Douglas, Las Vegas, KO 3
(Captured undisputed world heavyweight title)
Apr. 19 -- George Foreman, Atlantic City, W 12
(Retained undisputed world heavyweight title)
Nov. 23 -- Bert Cooper, Atlanta, TKO 7
(Retained undisputed world heavyweight title)
Jun. 19 -- Larry Holmes, Las Vegas, W 12
(Retained undisputed world heavyweight title)


Nov. 13 -- Riddikk Bowe, Las Vegas, L 12
(Lost undisputed world heavyweight title)






whoever was in front of him and washed up legends... same as tyson.. then he'd lose to riddikk twice (is he better), moorer, luis, ruiz, byrd, toney... lewis record no different.. same with most boxers

in other words, you gotta judge what you see them doing vs who's hot at that time. if they come in and destroy champs and #1's and make them look like nobody's, then that's a testament to how great that boxer was. tyson was destroying people.. lost 1 and was destroying people.. then got his prime taken away and was still beating all but 2 guys up.. fukk yea he's top 10


Its not dumb cause thats what Tyson dikk riders are basing his greatness on. Those fights are supposed to be why he is top 5 top ten or better yet the greatest ever. Holyfield isnt being judged on his early fights he is being judged for the wars he fought against other great fighters. Same for Ali Frazier etc etc. Not for knocking out nikkas who were part time Janitors. Not nikkas who were pissing themselves like dude in Gladiator. So when cats stop basing their top 5 on nothing we can talk..bottom line beating bums and guys who were only trying to get paid doesnt make you great. Facts is when tested vs great fighters Tyson folded everytime. When tested vs ok fighters he was taken the distance.
 

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nikkas love stanning Tyson but start Juelzing when you ask who did he beat:russ:

Be a top 10 heavyweight lock and your best win is a blown up LHW in Michael Spinks:patrice:


Who was scared shytless. But being Deebo makes you top ten. What happens when nikkas aint scared no more..oh Buster Douglas
 
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