Is Marciano the most overrated heavy weight boxer alltime?

[Ayatollah Watts]

who did he beat that can be considered worthy of praise? berbrick and holmes were not in their primes.
he was like the gift and then was cursed, i would love to put him in my top 8 HW of all time but his losses and lack of great opponents in hsi prime says it all.

The way Tyson was beating people in his time was incredible, so much so that we don't know how good his competition was because he CRUSHED them. Up until he started to lose it IMO there is no question he's top 5. He was Foreman's power and Ali's grace in a smaller package. The greats as we know them were blessed to not have faced a prime Mike Tyson.

 

[mastermind]

The way Tyson was beating people in his time was incredible, so much so that we don't know how good his competition was because he CRUSHED them. Up until he started to lose it IMO there is no question he's top 5. He was Foreman's power and Ali's grace in a smaller package. The greats as we know them were blessed to not have faced a prime Mike Tyson.

This is why Tyson is the most overrated boxer

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

I feel that Marciano is the most overrated heavyweight boxer of all time, you got historians who believe he'd beat guys like Frazier, Liston, Tyson etc...
Since he retired undefeated and bascially crushed everyone they put in front of him you gotta give him props. I don't feel that he's in the top 5 of all time great heavyweights but he's in the top 10 for sure. Head to head is where Rocky gets shytted on. He'd be a light heavy weight or cruiserweight right now. I can't see Rocky beating guys like Michael Spinks or Steve Cunningham.

Tyson gets overrated but he also gets underrated just as much. Accomplishment wise Tyson should be ranked some where between 10-15 top heavyweights of all time. Youngest heavyweight champ ever. That has to count for something since the way the sport is being run now, there's a good chance nobody will break that record. Plus Tyson does well in a lot of head to head match ups. He might not win all of them, but he has a chance and would destroy lots of heavys ranked higher than him on all time lists (Rocky,Louis, etc..)
Casual fans overrate Tyson, to the point where some hardcore fans start underrating him in order to create balance or some shyt. People make it seem like he was some unskilled brawler who just hit hard. I noticed that punchers/KO artists are usually underrated anyway when it comes to skills. It's like people don't think it takes skills to pressure dudes, make em miss and pay and take their soul away.

 

[NYC Rebel]

That's they one....that's they one!!!

 

[Ayatollah Watts]

This is why Tyson is the most overrated boxer

what? his competition?

 

[patscorpio]

Honestly, from the Douglas fight on he was a certified bum.

you watch tyson-ruddock 1 and 2 and tell me tyson was a certified bum post douglas

 

[patscorpio]

as for marciano...he would have been beaten by cats like zora folley, cleveland williams, floyd patterson if he had continued

 

[Street Knowledge]

Tyson. He dominated scrubs and boxers and now according to nikkaz he can knockout Ali

 

[mastermind]

what? his competition?

Yeah and he wasn't good against tall fighters who fought tall.

That and he is mentally weak. The moment someone wasn't scared of him he couldn't deal with it.

Your post made him out to be the greatest HW boxer ever. Tyson had great movement but it was never as good Ali's.

Tyson wasn't a brawled or stuff like that but he wasn't an unstoppable force.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Tyson's not overrated. I think people like to say he's overrated because of his popularity.

Joe Louis was washhed up and in his late 30s when he fought Marciano.

 

[Skip b]

No Rocky was not overrated, and it's foolish to compare fighters of the past to present day fighters, when the sport of boxing like every other sport has continued to evolve, of course these modern fighters of the 90's and 2000's would mop the floor with the fighters of the past, it's simply more skill in the game these days, contrary to the past where people would stand in the middle of the ring and try to bash their heads in like cave man trying to avoid going 15 rounds, where things is far more tactical these days

Of course Tyson would have beat Rocky, but Tyson (the most overrated ATG) would get mopped by the Klits, it just goes to shown what would have been dominate in one era simply won't fly over time, and everything is everchanging

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

The only thing that happened to Mike is he peaked too soon, lost his corner, and spent his prime in jail. Could a prime Tyson beat a prime Daddy Bowe? I doubt it.

But cats actling like the boxing brass wasn't gassing up Carl the Truth, Bruno, Seldon, Tony T, and Berbick before Iron Mike came through and beat em

RJJ said it best when the talking heads tried to say he aint fought nobody, nah, he just made them look like nobodies

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Tyson's not overrated. I think people like to say he's overrated because of his popularity.

Joe Louis was washhed up and in his late 30s when he fought Marciano.

This

and to add to that...
Rocky's competition wasn't even better than Tyson's if dudes wanna be real with it. Both guys came around in transitional periods of the heavyweight divisions and feasted on fighters that were past their primes. The difference is one guy remained undefeated while the other guy didn't and had a longer career.

People say say certain things about Tyson because they feel it's the popular thing to say. Tyson only beat guys he intimidated. Tyson never beat a good fighter, Tyson was crazy, Tyson can't beat tall fighters, Tyson etc...

There were lots of cats that weren't afraid of Tyson but still got they soul taken. nikkas say Tyson can't fight tall guys, but Tyson was like only 5'11 so pretty much every nikka he fought was tall. Most heavy's in the 80's were round 6'3 or 6'4 anyways.

The point I'm making is that every boxer can be overrated or underrated when you nit pick the fukk out of they career and scrutinize every fight they had. It's just that it happens more to guys who are ultra popular like Tyson.

 

[Pack2]

Tyson's not overrated. I think people like to say he's overrated because of his popularity.

Joe Louis was washhed up and in his late 30s when he fought Marciano.

"JOE LOUIS WAS 75 YEARS OLD WHEN THEY FOUGHT!!!"

 

[Majestic Pape]

The thing about Mike Tyson is this and will always be argued till the day we die..in his prime, he was unmatched. He was a KO artist. You will ALWAYS give a guy like that a chance against ANYONE in history because Tyson did it consistently and after that old man died, he wasn't the same. He was a beast though for a long time. DESTROYING people. That's not overrated. There was a time Mike Tyson was on a WHOLE ANOTHER level compared to Jordan/Montana or anyone you could think of.

The way Tyson was beating people in his time was incredible, so much so that we don't know how good his competition was because he CRUSHED them. Up until he started to lose it IMO there is no question he's top 5. He was Foreman's power and Ali's grace in a smaller package. The greats as we know them were blessed to not have faced a prime Mike Tyson.

Or Tyson was blessed not to have fought any of the all-time greats. It's not a secret that Tyson was weak mentally, and pretty much folded whenever someone wasn't scared of him and actually challenged him. And that is why I give Holyfield an advantage over any incarnation of Tyson. Tyson's "top-five" legacy is built on what he could have/would have done, and not what he did.

I give Tyson credit because he beat the guys who were in front of him and it's not as though he was ducking people. But once he lost, his shyt went downhill with the quickness (obviously aided by the prison sentence, but, oh well).