Is Kawhi Leanord a superstar
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duckbutta
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He's not a superstar. He's not one of the best five players in the league. He's a guy who is quickly becoming the most overrated player on this site. And if we held Kawhi Leonard to the same standard we hold LeBron James to, nobody would even entertain this thought.
Look, last night he had his career high in points. It was 32. Does that sound like a superstar to you?Now, I'm not saying he doesn't have the POTENTIAL or won't BECOME a superstar, but, today? Nah. He's a tremendous defender (one of the best in the league) but he's not going to carry a team. He's not consistent making his own shot. He misses free throws in the clutch. He's not going to take over many games. He's a guy who plays extremely hard and is in the perfect situation to flourish and to his credit that's exactly what he is doing, so there's no shade here.
I can't call you a superstar if you can't really be a first option on offense (I don't think he's a second option either). The Spurs are constructed differently - about as "team" as you can get - so for them he's a MAX VALUE PLAYER but as far as league wide he's no superstar.
So the only standard you can think to hold Kawhi Leonard to is Lebron, who has been the best player in basketball going on 7 or 8 years...
But then you telling me Kawhi is not a superstar:yeah ok:
Set the standard for a player at Lebron James but then say he is not a superstar breh :yeah ok:
He can't be a number 1 option:dahellwhat:
Dude is out here legit guarding and locking down 3 positions on defense...and you need him to be a no 1 option on offense:dahellwhat:
If we held stephen curry and james harden to that same standard...you got to be the best defender on your team...be able to effectively guard at least 3 positions, AND be the no 1 scoring option on your team...these dudes would be considered scrubs...
In between dunking and knocking down 3's and knocking down fadeaways and knocking down and 1 jumpshots...did you see what Kawhi Leonard did to Chris Paul?
You want me to post Chris Paul averages against steph in the playoffs last year:dahellwhat:
LastManStanding
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If Kawhi Leonard is a superstar, then you have to set the bar to the superstar level. How can Kawhi Leonard be a superstar and not held to their standard? I don't think Kawhi Leonard is a superstar, hence why I don't criticize his game, but seems there seems to be a large amount of people who DO think he is a superstar, then we should hold him to the superstar bar, right? And he just doesn't cut it, he's not at the LeBron/Durant level. He's just not. If you want to say he is a "superstar" defender, then I guess we've gotta include Draymond Green as a superstar now.
Those of you on the Kawhi = Superstar bandwagon, do y'all think if he actually was the #1 option/focus on offense that he would still be the consistent defensive force that he is night in, night out? Y'all don't think it's easier to be a lock down defender as long as you don't have to carry an offense?
duckbutta
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Duncan...sure..
Parker is in the mist of the worst season in his career outside of his rookie year and he is "attracting attention"?
Manu hardly ever looks to shoot anymore and Marco is slowly eating into his minutes and his role and he is "attracting attention"
Man do some of you dudes watch basketball AT ALL...
Parker been horrible all year...been hurt all year...not even shooting 35% this series...not even averaging 6 points a game this series...but he is "attracting attention"
Clippers literally standing around begging for him to shoot
Parker and Manu have been effectively retired since around December...
Play with injured point guards who struggle to give you 10 points a game brehs
Contrary to what people think, he's being held back by his system. The Pop system keeps his minutes and touches down. If he assumed that James Harden role, his numbers would spike and all eyes would be on him, although being in San Antonio would hurt him anyway.
The Spurs get the respect of the general public, but not the love & attention. Tim Duncan is a borderline top 5-6 player and has gone under the radar his entire career because of the way the Spurs handle media attention. Same goes for Kawhi. He's done as much or more than Paul George in his time and isn't as popular or paid. If he stepped out of the San Antonio shadows (Pop, Tim, Manu, Tony) then he'd be a superstar.
And then there's his personality. I read a story about how he spent this summer doing three a days and working to expand his game. He even spent his 3 days with the Larry O'Brien trophy by leaving it at home, in his apartment, because he didn't have time to do anything but work out. He doesn't seem to be into the fame or attention. So I doubt he'll be a superstar, unless he keeps winning til Tim Duncan did, because there's no way the Spurs will let him go, max or not.
The Spurs get the respect of the general public, but not the love & attention. Tim Duncan is a borderline top 5-6 player and has gone under the radar his entire career because of the way the Spurs handle media attention. Same goes for Kawhi. He's done as much or more than Paul George in his time and isn't as popular or paid. If he stepped out of the San Antonio shadows (Pop, Tim, Manu, Tony) then he'd be a superstar.
And then there's his personality. I read a story about how he spent this summer doing three a days and working to expand his game. He even spent his 3 days with the Larry O'Brien trophy by leaving it at home, in his apartment, because he didn't have time to do anything but work out. He doesn't seem to be into the fame or attention. So I doubt he'll be a superstar, unless he keeps winning til Tim Duncan did, because there's no way the Spurs will let him go, max or not.
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
If Kawhi Leonard is a superstar, then you have to set the bar to the superstar level. How can Kawhi Leonard be a superstar and not held to their standard? I don't think Kawhi Leonard is a superstar, hence why I don't criticize his game, but seems there seems to be a large amount of people who DO think he is a superstar, then we should hold him to the superstar bar, right? And he just doesn't cut it, he's not at the LeBron/Durant level. He's just not. If you want to say he is a "superstar" defender, then I guess we've gotta include Draymond Green as a superstar now.
So is Steph a superstar? The league tells me he is but night in and night out he can barely defend his own position let alone 3...
So is Harden a superstar? He still one of the worst defenders in basketball so I don't think he is a candidate to guard even 1 position effectively...
And if you telling me these guys are not superstars then how did they become the top two candidates for the MVP...
He not at the Lebron Durant level but you can't even give a real basketball reason why is not...all you can say is "he just not"...:yeah ok:
sure he does Green pass was fukked up and from where he caught it nevermind you even bringing up Bron I ain't got time to argue with a Bron stan
I'VE BEEN GIVING YOU A fukkING REASON... HE CAN'T SCORE AT A HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL!
If you can't be the focal point of an offense and carry it then I don't see you as a superstar. You keep talking about defense, but that shyt is slanted. Scoring is the most important part of the sport, and I'd rather have a guy who can score at any point in the game, especially the clutch. And as great of a defender as Kawhi is, he's not guarding everyone on the court at the same time, nor is he going to shut down an entire team in the playoffs (nobody will/could, the closest thing you'll get is a big man who controls the paint).
KnickstapeCity
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malbaker86
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The Spurs were 8-9 this year without him this season....yet we had one of the best records post the all star break wgen he was healthy but ill let you cook.
Notice the first two games of the finals last year were tight weren't a coincidence since he was in foul trouble. Notice the last 3 games being blowouts and he was NOT in foul trouble. Ill let you cook tho....
Who was guarding Durant down the stretch of game 6 when Durant suddenly was not doing a damn thing last year too
You're talking like I said he was a bum. I never said he didn't have an impact. I said he's not a superstar; I judge superstars as elite players and he's not one. I even said that he has the potential to be one, but right now? Nah. But now having the knowledge that you're a Spurs fan, I see your agenda, so I'm gonna let you cook with this one.The Spurs were 8-9 this year without him this season....yet we had one of the best records post the all star break wgen he was healthy but ill let you cook.
Notice the first two games of the finals last year were tight weren't a coincidence since he was in foul trouble. Notice the last 3 games being blowouts and he was NOT in foul trouble. Ill let you cook tho....
Who was guarding Durant down the stretch of game 6 when Durant suddenly was not doing a damn thing last year too