Is Islam Misogynistic? (Muslim woman answers and provides sources)

[the cac mamba]

dont act ignorant, The stuff alot of these people do, particularly in Afghanistan and Saudi dont have to do anything with Islam. The only modern country created in the name of Islam (Pakistan) had a women prime minister before most western countries, including ours.

cmon breh. these are islamist countries

i know that islam doesnt say anything about this behavior. but this stuff happens in islamic countries. let me know next time women start lighting themselves on fire in countries where they can wear what they want

 

[kevm3]

In Islam's defense, there is not much difference between it and several of the other religions when it comes to this matter. Just thought it was an interesting read. I'm sure there are plenty of examples where women feel empowered by Islam.

Several other religions such as?

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

It's cases like these where I think we should get involved- not in a militaristic, Neocon way, but to support such movements and help them so they can speak and be heard.

the thing is, you're already involved in Pakistan in a "militaristic way", and it's this "militaristic way" coupled with the country's long, sordid history with neoliberalism that has created the swamp that allows retrograde fanatics like the Taliban to thrive.

demanding your president end the drone attacks and advocating for economic and political sovereignty in Pakistan is the best (only) way you can actually help these girls and women.

 

[SumBlackguyz]

No. This is a cultural problem with middle eastern and asian countries. The number one growing religion in the united states is islam, with the majority of converts being women. So im sure if there was some fundamental misogyny going on, the numbers wouldnt be showing these trends.

To be fair, american women have been misogynized so long that they just accept whatever treatment and judgements come their way, just as long as it doesnt reach stalker status. Women care more about their weight and skin tone more than their overall health, and I wonder where that comes from.

Remember in the 50's when marriage was like this?

 

[Broke Wave]

Serious historical question, what major movement in the history of the world, religious or otherwise, has given women more inalienable rights than Islam, other than the Enlightenment?




Where you think divorce came from brehs

 

[alybaba]

Serious historical question, what major movement in the history of the world, religious or otherwise, has given women more inalienable rights than Islam, other than the Enlightenment?




Where you think divorce came from brehs

You think divorce wasn't allowed in Ancient Greece and Rome? Haha

 

[SumBlackguyz]

Serious historical question, what major movement in the history of the world, religious or otherwise, has given women more inalienable rights than Islam, other than the Enlightenment?




Where you think divorce came from brehs

they know

 

[Type Username Here]

Several other religions such as?

Presently? Certain sects of Christianity, Orthodox Judaism, Rural Hinduism, Mormonism.

No. This is a cultural problem with middle eastern and asian countries. The number one growing religion in the united states is islam, with the majority of converts being women. So im sure if there was some fundamental misogyny going on, the numbers wouldnt be showing these trends.

To be fair, american women have been misogynized so long that they just accept whatever treatment and judgements come their way, just as long as it doesnt reach stalker status. Women care more about their weight and skin tone more than their overall health, and I wonder where that comes from.

No one is disputting your point friend. America or Western Countries are far from perfect on this issue. Hell, a major point in our Presidential Debate last week was about equal-pay for women. Women were explicitely excluded from participating in a long of things in this country, but that's exactly my point. After they were allowed to vote, there seemed to be a regression up until the 1960s, and then it finally boiled over. Same thing will happen within Islam. It has happened in every other religion.

Serious historical question, what major movement in the history of the world, religious or otherwise, has given women more inalienable rights than Islam, other than the Enlightenment?

Where you think divorce came from brehs

Friend, this young lady that follows the same religion as you, laid out her point well. It was sourced properly. Though we may disagree, I don't find you to lack intelligence. You're more than welcome to refute her points and show us why she is wrong. This is an open debate forum.

 

[zerozero]

Friend, this young lady that follows the same religion as you

Why do you think that? Look at the passage of text and the sources she's clearly not a believer anymore

 

[Type Username Here]

Why do you think that? Look at the passage of text and the sources she's clearly not a believer anymore

You might be correct, but she does say that most countries don't follow what she sourced strictly. She could still self-identify as Muslim in her eyes, but ignore or interpret the scriptures differently.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Islam is just realistic when it comes to women. Men and women are not equal, it doesn't mean men are superior, but there are things each does better than the other....people can deny that if they want but it doesn't change the fact that its true.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

no it's Misogynistic it just does not allow women to do what ever they want. the funny thing is men have just as many rules put on them as women.

Exactly....the veil is a perfect example. Women are obliged to dress modestly because of the weakness of MEN, not to burden women.

In Islam a woman has the right to divorce her husband if he isn't satisfying her sexually....this is according to Sharia....what other religion grants women rights like that? Especially 1400 years ago?

 

[88m3]

Lets talk about hijabs...the headscarf Muslim women wear. A lot of ppl equate Muslim women to be oppressed and looked down upon in Islam, but that statement is a misconception on it's own. Women wear it so they are not judged by their external appearance but rather by their own intellect and character. Also, they wear it to guard their beauty from unfamiliar eyes and to save everything for the one guy who will love, cherish and protect them, and I think that is just a beautiful thing and frankly it should make a guy feel good knowing his wife is saving everything for his eyes only; I can never understand why some guys are into having their girls put everything out for the whole world to see.
@Type Username Here @VictorVonDoom @zerozero

 

[The Real]

Exactly....the veil is a perfect example. Women are obliged to dress modestly because of the weakness of MEN, not to burden women.

In Islam a woman has the right to divorce her husband if he isn't satisfying her sexually....this is according to Sharia....what other religion grants women rights like that? Especially 1400 years ago?

The stuff about divorce and equal sexual satisfaction is progressive and commendable, but the modesty stuff is patriarchal to me for 2 connected reasons:

1. If the source of the problem is the man, then why is the onus on the woman to modify her behavior accordingly? Why doesn't the source of the problem have to change himself? You have some Conservative social views, and I've often heard you saying that hood people should take personal responsibility and change their own behavior for the best rather than having other people accomodate them/give them a pass and thus apologize for their tendencies. In this case, though, it seems to me like you're accepting the opposite conclusion- the man, despite being the problem, doesn't have to act to change. The women around him do, to accomodate his behavior. This leads me right into point 2:

2. Since the rapist tendencies of men are seen as natural, the onus is thus off the rapist whenever a rape occurs, since it's simply a natural tendency and not something that can be easily overcome, and thus women become burdened with the sole agency to determine whether or not a rape can occur, and also a disproportionate amount of the blame when a rape happens. I think you see this reflected in the Sharia laws around rape, which are, in my opinion, biased against the woman, since the standard of proof she needs to prove guilt are much higher than what the rapist has to do in order to get off freely.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

I can never understand why some guys are into having their girls put everything out for the whole world to see.
@Type Username Here @VictorVonDoom @zerozero

You're a smart guy. Why do you think they do this?