Is Islam Misogynistic? (Muslim woman answers and provides sources)

[alybaba]

You're right, as a non-religious person, I do believe the Quran was written by humans.

For me, this counts as sexism:

Qura 4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

The idea that men should be "in charge" of women is wrong to me. Neither sex should be in charge of the other, in my opinion. Also, notice how this verse says "by right of what Allah has given," not "by right of what I have given." It refers to Allah in the 3rd person, meaning that Allah wasn't the one putting those words on the page. It was written down by a person, almost certainly a man. This is an example of what I mean when I talk about men legislating for women.

The Quran keeps on switching between first person and third person, even in the middle of suras and there its actually sort of messy. Hell, the first sura of the Quran (Surah Fatiha) is clearly a prayer by Muhammad and not god speaking. If it was god, then there is supposed to be the customary "qol" (Say) before the sura, like in Surah-al-Falaq and Surah-al-Nas.

 

[50CentStan]

so your fake ass is gonna tell me muslim ass how islam works?

I shouldnt even reply to you, your comment doesnt even make any fukking sense breh, "me muslim ass?" step your english game up B.

yo can someone tell me how to put quotes in your sig, because this is pure comedy

also, at the bolded. her source is being a woman you fukkin moron

Go to your userCP then on the left theres an "edit signature" link click that, copy the quote paste it in there. You're welcome, friend.


How do we know she's mentally sane? Using one's experience is a terrible source, because many people can have many different experiences. What this comes down to is Western culture thinking it is superior. which we all know is not true. Cool it with the insults and post your argument

 

[50CentStan]

Its natural order for men to be in charge of women because of the nature of men. It takes philosophy and pain for a man to be greater then what he is naturally. You have become spoiled with centuries of conditioning and have lost sight of this.

If all of this were to fall apart, tomorrow, and law coupled with punishment were not in place to protect women, philosophy would not save them from what demonic individuals would do, naturally. Men should be in charge of women because we are the natural leaders of the planet. Once men of courage and honor establish order, is it then that some of the reigns of control can be loosened and women can take a greater role in society. Thats seems to be how the world works. Woulda, coulda and shoulda are not factors.

Its common knowledge apostates cater to an Islamaphobic crowd like this so called former muslim women to gain recognition or money. "Misogynism" (a subjective term that really advocates for naked women, prostitutes, strippers and other degenerate things women are associated with), They hate seeing Muslim women covered up adhering to her lords command, they hate seeing Muslim women supporting her husband and children while their women act like men, wanna wear the pants in the relationship and take em to court for all their money after sex got boring. SMH

Exactly, you brothers are right, thats one of the downfalls of the west, People dont play their roles, Men and Women each have a separate roll in life, but now Women want to be men and Men want to be women in the west. Extreme liberalism is what is killing the community in the west. Christianity has the same message but many Christian brothers have fell astray because of the world they live in and think thats whats normal.

 

[NaiSim]

I have no problem with her article. Abrahamic religions are indeed misogynistic.

Though for her to generalize the fukked up Wahhabi religion found in Saudi Arabia and draw conclusions from it onto Islam is nonsense.

 

[88m3]

Sitting here reading this with one hand on my head.

 

[PartyHeart]

Its natural order for men to be in charge of women because of the nature of men. It takes philosophy and pain for a man to be greater then what he is naturally. You have become spoiled with centuries of conditioning and have lost sight of this.

If all of this were to fall apart, tomorrow, and law coupled with punishment were not in place to protect women, philosophy would not save them from what demonic individuals would do, naturally. Men should be in charge of women because we are the natural leaders of the planet. Once men of courage and honor establish order, is it then that some of the reigns of control can be loosened and women can take a greater role in society. Thats seems to be how the world works. Woulda, coulda and shoulda are not factors.

This doesn't make sense. If the demonic individuals are the ones perpetuating the demonic activity, they are the ones to be policed, not the ones they are preying on. I agree that there is something wrong with Western culture though, and it lies in the pervasive practice of victim blaming.

Also, in this doomsday scenario misogynists like to dream up to support their misogyny, you guys always seem to forget to factor in one simple thing: Family. The natural order of things just so happens to make men and women bonded by blood. That means men whom have I don't know, mothers, sisters, daughters, nieces, and who knows, close female friends they love, would not stand idly by and let their loved ones be victimized for the sake of some seemingly slightly homoerotic allegiance to their gender. They would be incentivized to protect their families and probably eventually band together with other men whom also desire to protect their loved ones and do things like create laws and civilizations that do so.

The only thing that could possibly keep a person from protecting their own flesh and blood is mental illness or a belief that there is an allegiance to something even higher than family. The latter is my opinion of what is happening in Islam/Islamic countries.

 

[the cac mamba]

I shouldnt even reply to you, your comment doesnt even make any fukking sense breh, "me muslim ass?" step your english game up B.



Go to your userCP then on the left theres an "edit signature" link click that, copy the quote paste it in there. You're welcome, friend.


How do we know she's mentally sane? Using one's experience is a terrible source, because many people can have many different experiences. What this comes down to is Western culture thinking it is superior. which we all know is not true. Cool it with the insults and post your argument

your argument is claiming a clearly rational person who experienced islam for herself, is insane. what is there to argue about

 

[The Real]

The origins of humanity did not start with modern society. Im starting humanity at its most rawest form.

There is no "rawest form." That's what you fail to grasp. The history of humanity is contingent, and not the basis for any concept of a truth or essence or core of humanity. Your position rests on illogical jumps from history to metaphysical notions.

From this state we learned everything we know now.

Wrong again. Any historian will tell you this- no event in history can be held as foundational in the way you want. Current humanity wasn't built on top of an older one.

Its already happened and in the ancient times, violence and the subjugation of women was practiced and if we returned to that state, that is how things will be.

There is nothing natural in men that say, we should treat women equally. It is only through times of peace that we learn these things.

In some societies, it was that way. That has nothing to do with how natural it is or isn't, nor does it have to do with how we should treat anyone. There is no connection between the two.

To obtain peace we have to establish order and order is typically established after a savage state. History shows this. Very little if anything in history shows your philosophy. Its just an ideal, check this out, friend.

See above. All the history you can cite is meaningless.

 

[50CentStan]

your argument is claiming a clearly rational person who experienced islam for herself, is insane. what is there to argue about

Every Muslim women I know never complains about misogyny in Islam, the ones that wear hijab are even more happy with their lives as Muslim women. Why would her opinion hold more weight?

Better source, friend.
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[PartyHeart]

How many men in here who support the subjugation/control of women are Black? Just curious.

 

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Another Pakistani girl has received Taliban threats for supporting women's rights, and her family says the government is doing nothing to protect her, Dawn reports. Hina Khan's family received a phone call warning that "Hina will be next after Malala" Yousufzai—the girl shot by Taliban militants—and a red X was painted on the gate of their Islamabad home two days in a row. It brings back bad memories for the Khans, who fled the Swat district 6 years ago after receiving threats.

"We have already been fighting death since many years when my wife started speaking for women rights and girls' education," said Hina's father. Her mother, Farhat Khan, used to run an NGO and campaign for female empowerment in Swat. Now the family's three daughters and two sons are staying home for their own safety. "We are almost being held as hostages inside our house," said her father. "My family and kids need security, we need nothing else." (Meanwhile, Malala can stand and even communicate.)

Taliban Targets Another Girl in Pakistan - But Hina Khan says the police won't protect her

 

[Type Username Here]

The women are starting to wake up over there fellas.

 

[The Real]

Taliban Targets Another Girl in Pakistan - But Hina Khan says the police won't protect her

It's cases like these where I think we should get involved- not in a militaristic, Neocon way, but to support such movements and help them so they can speak and be heard.

 

[Type Username Here]

It's cases like these where I think we should get involved- not in a militaristic, Neocon way, but to support such movements and help them so they can speak and be heard.

Nah, I think we should leave them be. Let the revolution happen within themselves. A REAL human rights revolution lead by the women. I'll say it again: Islam will be evolved and modernized through its women. They will rebel.

Let's stay the fukk out of it for once and just watch it burn without our help. The only help we should give is by spreading the messages of these courageous women who often face death for asking for equal treatment.