Is Islam Misogynistic? (Muslim woman answers and provides sources)

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The truth is women have more rights in Islam than any other religion or culture. Husbands and wives have equal rights over one another. Her sources didn't site anything relavent to prove that Islam is mysoginistic. #fail




nah thats bullshyt. I also hate how they seperate the men and women so much.
 

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nah thats bullshyt. I also hate how they seperate the men and women so much.


So because someone doesn't want a women to wear a pink thong and wet white t shirt and walk to the club and get raped by meth heads on the way is mysoginistic? #STFU
 

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So because someone doesn't want a women to wear a pink thong and wet white t shirt and walk to the club and get raped by meth heads on the way is mysoginistic? #STFU

The concern for women might be legitimate, but the idea that men know what's best for women and get to create laws regulating women's behavior while women cannot make such decisions about themselves is indeed sexist.
 

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The truth is women have more rights in Islam than any other religion or culture.

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The concern for women might be legitimate, but the idea that men know what's best for women and get to create laws regulating women's behavior while women cannot make such decisions about themselves is indeed sexist.


The thing is the sharia is not man made, now if youre not a believer and think it is I respect that, but you have to realize these rules and laws are not being updated and changed by man. They are the same and they have been in place for men and women. Now stuff like the Saudis not allowing women to drive and stuff that's another thing, to say that's Islamic mysoginy is incorrect. Islam is a very fair Way of life for all humans socially, spiritually and economically.
 

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The thing is the sharia is not man made, now if youre not a believer and think it is I respect that, but you have to realize these rules and laws are not being updated and changed by man. They are the same and they have been in place for men and women. Now stuff like the Saudis not allowing women to drive and stuff that's another thing, to say that's Islamic mysoginy is incorrect. Islam is a very fair Way of life for all humans socially, spiritually and economically.

You're right, as a non-religious person, I do believe the Quran was written by humans.

For me, this counts as sexism:

Qura 4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

The idea that men should be "in charge" of women is wrong to me. Neither sex should be in charge of the other, in my opinion. Also, notice how this verse says "by right of what Allah has given," not "by right of what I have given." It refers to Allah in the 3rd person, meaning that Allah wasn't the one putting those words on the page. It was written down by a person, almost certainly a man. This is an example of what I mean when I talk about men legislating for women.
 

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The thing is the sharia is not man made, now if youre not a believer and think it is I respect that, but you have to realize these rules and laws are not being updated and changed by man. They are the same and they have been in place for men and women. Now stuff like the Saudis not allowing women to drive and stuff that's another thing, to say that's Islamic mysoginy is incorrect. Islam in theory is a very fair Way of life for all humans socially, spiritually and economically.
 

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The thing is the sharia is not man made, now if youre not a believer and think it is I respect that, but you have to realize these rules and laws are not being updated and changed by man. They are the same and they have been in place for men and women. Now stuff like the Saudis not allowing women to drive and stuff that's another thing, to say that's Islamic mysoginy is incorrect. Islam is a very fair Way of life for all humans socially, spiritually and economically.

Is it mysognistic when men call other men the B word, friend?
 

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You're right, as a non-religious person, I do believe the Quran was written by humans.

For me, this counts as sexism:

Qura 4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

The idea that men should be "in charge" of women is wrong to me. Neither sex should be in charge of the other, in my opinion. Also, notice how this verse says "by right of what Allah has given," not "by right of what I have given." It refers to Allah in the 3rd person, meaning that Allah wasn't the one putting those words on the page. It was written down by a person, almost certainly a man. This is an example of what I mean when I talk about men legislating for women.

Its natural order for men to be in charge of women because of the nature of men. It takes philosophy and pain for a man to be greater then what he is naturally. You have become spoiled with centuries of conditioning and have lost sight of this.

If all of this were to fall apart, tomorrow, and law coupled with punishment were not in place to protect women, philosophy would not save them from what demonic individuals would do, naturally. Men should be in charge of women because we are the natural leaders of the planet. Once men of courage and honor establish order, is it then that some of the reigns of control can be loosened and women can take a greater role in society. Thats seems to be how the world works. Woulda, coulda and shoulda are not factors.
 

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Its natural order for men to be in charge of women because of the nature of men. It takes philosophy and pain for a man to be greater then what he is naturally. You have become spoiled with centuries of conditioning and have lost sight of this.

If all of this were to fall apart, tomorrow, and law coupled with punishment were not in place to protect women, philosophy would not save them from what demonic individuals would do, naturally. Men should be in charge of women because we are the natural leaders of the planet. Once men of courage and honor establish order, is it then that some of the reigns of control can be loosened and women can take a greater role in society. Thats seems to be how the world works. Woulda, coulda and shoulda are not factors.

There is no basic "state of nature" that explains the core, essence, or natural order of things, so there's no way to deduce ethics based on these hypotheticals. Our present society is no more or less natural than that of cavepeople- that would require a number of logical fallacies.

The scenario you describe is irrelevant because physical strength is not more "real" than anything else and so cannot be the foundation for any particular social hierarchy. And even in that scenario, physical strength wouldn't be the end-all be-all; we didn't survive because of our strength. That's the same reason you are forced to resort to a hypothetical scenario in which physical strength would become the most important factor and can't use the present state of things to make your point. As you yourself said, "woulda, coulda and shoulda are not factors," so why are you resorting to exactly that kind of thinking?
 

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So because someone doesn't want a women to wear a pink thong and wet white t shirt and walk to the club and get raped by meth heads on the way is mysoginistic? #STFU
so your fake ass is gonna tell me muslim ass how islam works? :dead:
 

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Its common knowledge apostates cater to an Islamaphobic crowd like this so called former muslim women to gain recognition or money. "Misogynism" (a subjective term that really advocates for naked women, prostitutes, strippers and other degenerate things women are associated with), They hate seeing Muslim women covered up adhering to her lords command, they hate seeing Muslim women supporting her husband and children while their women act like men, wanna wear the pants in the relationship and take em to court for all their money after sex got boring. SMH
 

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There is no basic "state of nature" that explains the core, essence, or natural order of things, so there's no way to deduce ethics based on these hypotheticals. Our present society is no more or less natural than that of cavepeople- that would require a number of logical fallacies.

The scenario you describe is irrelevant because physical strength is not more "real" than anything else and so cannot be the foundation for any particular social hierarchy. And even in that scenario, physical strength wouldn't be the end-all be-all; we didn't survive because of our strength. That's the same reason you are forced to resort to a hypothetical scenario in which physical strength would become the most important factor and can't use the present state of things to make your point. As you yourself said, "woulda, coulda and shoulda are not factors," so why are you resorting to exactly that kind of thinking?

The origins of humanity did not start with modern society. Im starting humanity at its most rawest form. From this state we learned everything we know now. Its already happened and in the ancient times, violence and the subjugation of women was practiced and if we returned to that state, that is how things will be. There is nothing natural in men that say, we should treat women equally. It is only through times of peace that we learn these things. To obtain peace we have to establish order and order is typically established after a savage state. History shows this. Very little if anything in history shows your philosophy. Its just an ideal, check this out, friend,




in your mind. :whoo:
 

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The truth is women have more rights in Islam than any other religion or culture. Husbands and wives have equal rights over one another. Her sources didn't site anything relavent to prove that Islam is mysoginistic. #fail

yo can someone tell me how to put quotes in your sig, because this is pure comedy

also, :what: at the bolded. her source is being a woman you fukkin moron :laff:
 
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