Is Floyd TBE

[Axum Ezana]

sugar ray robinson the best business man.

first guy to get tv revenue and wasn't owned by the mob(). he created that modern ppv flamboyant boxer...like tyson,leonard,ali,roy,naseem n mayweather.

also went 96-0 before he lost. also had a 85-0 amateur record with maybe a 1 loss from hearsay.

never saw his prime...but he supposedly schooled a prime wille pep as a youngster.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Breh, Sergio put him down like a sack of bricks

Floyd aint got that power tho.

Sorry if Sergio caught paul with that looping ass cross setup by a mild body feint, what exactly would Floyd 'master boxer' Mayweather do to P-Dub?

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Floyd ain't the goat or TBE but he's definitely top 10 in my book. Best boxer since RJJ imo

 

[patscorpio]

Sorry if Sergio caught paul with that looping ass cross setup by a mild body feint, what exactly would Floyd 'master boxer' Mayweather do to P-Dub?

We wouldn't know since floyd wanted no parts of the punisher..but sergio did..respect maravilla

 

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Sorry if Sergio caught paul with that looping ass cross setup by a mild body feint, what exactly would Floyd 'master boxer' Mayweather do to P-Dub?

His short arms and average power wouldn't do anything.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

I see Paul Williams is gonna be hyped up to be better then he was.

Lara vs Pwill is exactly how against Floyd he would have looked imo.

But he's definitely in the convo. With a lot of the older fighters you can go back and watch their fights but unless you were a real boxing fan during that time period, gauging how good their competition was can be difficult.

After the 1st Maidana fight, Floyd's was on his extra cautious ish these last couple of fights, and with the bad hands I think that stopped him from K.O. a lot of these dudes.If not for that, giving his self the title of TBE wouldn't be so disputed

 

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I see Paul Williams is gonna be hyped up to be better then he was.

Lara vs Pwill is exactly how against Floyd he would have looked imo.

But he's definitely in the convo. With a lot of the older fighters you can go back and watch their fights but unless you were a real boxing fan during that time period, gauging how good their competition was can be difficult.

After the 1st Maidana fight, Floyd's was on his extra cautious ish these last couple of fights, and with the bad hands I think that stopped him from K.O. a lot of these dudes.If not for that, giving his self the title of TBE wouldn't be so disputed

It's not about hyping up Paul Williams.
You know that styles make fights. And Paul Williams was a 6'1 fighter with good power and good speed.

To say that he could have presented a big challenge to a much shorter Floyd Mayweather isn't outrageous.

And yes, I'm aware that Williams had a tendency to brawl and fight small and not take advantage of his great reach. But let's not act like he's the same as Diego Corrales (whom Mayweather dispatched easily).

 

[Axum Ezana]

paul's high volume would have gave mayweather problems imo.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

It's not about hyping up Paul Williams.
You know that styles make fights. And Paul Williams was a 6'1 fighter with good power and good speed.

To say that he could have presented a big challenge to a much shorter Floyd Mayweather isn't outrageous.

And yes, I'm aware that Williams had a tendency to brawl and fight small and not take advantage of his great reach. But let's not act like he's the same as Diego Corrales (whom Mayweather dispatched easily).

I agree. But you basically stated exactly why he would be easy work for Floyd imo. Diego was a better boxer then Paul imo.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

paul's high volume would have gave mayweather problems imo.

Wasn't this the narrative with Manny? His speed power and punch volume would leave Floyd bedazzled?

 

[Newzz]

I agree. But you basically stated exactly why he would be easy work for Floyd imo. Diego was a better boxer then Paul imo.

No he wasn't.


Diego Corrales finished his career 3-4 and couldn't beat Joel Casamoyer (0-2 against him) and truthfully should've been 0-2 against JLC as well. He also was destroyed by Joshua Clottey when he finally moved up in weight to around where Paul Williams fought (Welterweight-Junior Middleweight). Even though he was taller than Floyd by an inch or 2, he had shorter arms than Floyd and didn't throw nearly as many punches as P Dubb threw nor did he have the chin of Paul Williams....which is why Floyd made easy work of him

Paul Williams was 6'1 huge Welterweight (who fought as high as Middleweight while still campaigning at Welterweight) with 79'' reach and would throw 1000 punches a fight...by himself. If it would've been easy work, Floyd would've fought him instead of acting like he didn't know who he was even after Paul Williams did what Floyd didn't want to do...fight Margarito and beat him.

 

[JerseyFinest!]

No he wasn't.


Diego Corrales finished his career 3-4 and couldn't beat Joel Casamoyer (0-2 against him) and truthfully should've been 0-2 against JLC as well. He also was destroyed by Joshua Clottey when he finally moved up in weight to around where Paul Williams fought (Welterweight-Junior Middleweight). Even though he was taller than Floyd by an inch or 2, he had shorter arms than Floyd and didn't throw nearly as many punches as P Dubb threw nor did he have the chin of Paul Williams....which is why Floyd made easy work of him

Paul Williams was 6'1 huge Welterweight (who fought as high as Middleweight while still campaigning at Welterweight) with 79'' reach and would throw 1000 punches a fight...by himself. If it would've been easy work, Floyd would've fought him instead of acting like he didn't know who he was even after Paul Williams did what Floyd didn't want to do...fight Margarito and beat him.

By the the time he fought Joel he was washed up. The 1st fight against JLC was basically his downfall, that fight took a lot out of both. I don't even think he made weight for the 3rd fight against JC. The fight against Clottey was a ghost of DC at that point he was officially done.

Paul never used his reach the way should.Tommy Hearns was the fighter I thought he should mimic, and he had a decent but was easy to hit, The fights against Lara and Quintana exposed his ability to handle boxers.

Diego could box and brawl with power in both hands.

 

[Newzz]

By the the time he fought Joel he was washed up.

No he wasn't breh. He fought Casamoyer 3 times, went 1-2 against him, and was defeated in 6 rounds in their very 1st matchup...only 18 months after fighting Floyd and was on a 4 win streak all via KO.

The 1st fight against JLC was basically his downfall, that fight took a lot out of both. I don't even think he made weight for the 3rd fight against JC. The fight against Clottey was a ghost of DC at that point he was officially done.

He fought Casamoyer twice before fighting JLC though. And that wasn't his downfall imo (even though the wars was part of it). It was also the fact he became too big for the division he fought in and had a hard time making the weight, but more importantly look at who he fought after the JLC fights. Another loss to Casamoyer (who had already beaten him previously and only when Corrales took Casamoyer's trainer for the rematch, he got the SD win over him) and then jumped 2 divisions to fight a Prime Joshua Clottey who was much too big & strong for him. He was gonna lose those fights regardless.

Paul never used his reach the way should.Tommy Hearns was the fighter I thought he should mimic, and he had a decent but was easy to hit, The fights against Lara and Quintana exposed his ability to handle boxers.

Diego could box and brawl with power in both hands.

Paul Williams was nothing like Tommy Hearns and didn't want to be. He didnt have Hitman's amateur pedigree, power & pure boxing ability, nor Emmanuel Steward in his corner or in the gym with him. He was there to bang away and overwhelm you with his punches and chin. Paul Williams was the prototype "Mexican Style" fighter for a lack of better words. They could've called him Pablo Guillermo and billed him from Cozumel, Mexico...and he could've fit right in with the rest of em.


Floyd has only had trouble with fighters who pressured him (Maidana, JLC, DLH), Pablo Guillermo's pressure he applied was far greater than all 3 of em, because that's how he fought everytime out and unlike Maidana...he didn't get tired. He would've been in Floyd's face all night.


I never could see Floyd beating someone who was 5 inches taller, with 9'' longer arms, who would throw 80, 90, 100 punches a round non-stop for 12 rounds with a chin that nobody at Welterweight could crack. Not even Margs with "concrete" in his gloves could do it....and there's a reason why Floyd never fought him even though Pablo Guillermo called him out


Corrales wouldn't ever beat P Dubb either.

 

[Black_Jesus]

Both Paul Williams AND Margarito would've given Floyd huge problems

 

[JerseyFinest!]

No he wasn't breh. He fought Casamoyer 3 times, went 1-2 against him, and was defeated in 6 rounds in their very 1st matchup...only 18 months after fighting Floyd and was on a 4 win streak all via KO.




He fought Casamoyer twice before fighting JLC though. And that wasn't his downfall imo (even though the wars was part of it). It was also the fact he became too big for the division he fought in and had a hard time making the weight, but more importantly look at who he fought after the JLC fights. Another loss to Casamoyer (who had already beaten him previously and only when Corrales took Casamoyer's trainer for the rematch, he got the SD win over him) and then jumped 2 divisions to fight a Prime Joshua Clottey who was much too big & strong for him. He was gonna lose those fights regardless.





Paul Williams was nothing like Tommy Hearns and didn't want to be. He didnt have Hitman's amateur pedigree, power & pure boxing ability, nor Emmanuel Steward in his corner or in the gym with him. He was there to bang away and overwhelm you with his punches and chin. Paul Williams was the prototype "Mexican Style" fighter for a lack of better words. They could've called him Pablo Guillermo and billed him from Cozumel, Mexico...and he could've fit right in with the rest of em.


Floyd has only had trouble with fighters who pressured him (Maidana, JLC, DLH), Pablo Guillermo's pressure he applied was far greater than all 3 of em, because that's how he fought everytime out and unlike Maidana...he didn't get tired. He would've been in Floyd's face all night.


I never could see Floyd beating someone who was 5 inches taller, with 9'' longer arms, who would throw 80, 90, 100 punches a round non-stop for 12 rounds with a chin that nobody at Welterweight could crack. Not even Margs with "concrete" in his gloves could do it....and there's a reason why Floyd never fought him even though Pablo Guillermo called him out


Corrales wouldn't ever beat P Dubb either.

Floyd and Lara are about the same size, Lara probably has the longer reach I have to look it up, But the results imo would have been basically the same against Floyd. His biggest strength against FM would have been his activity level, problem with that like everybody else Floyd is cutting your punch output in half. 9" reach advantage means nothing if you don't utilize it which Pwill never did. Which is why I always felt he should have mimic T.Hearns style, fighting Mexican style against Floyd is dumb honestly. JLC was only successful the 1st fight against FM because of his hand being damage, Madaina was somewhat successful because Floyd stayed on the ropes and fought on the inside a lot that fight, same with Cotto. If not for Margarito slow start in that fight he would've won. PWill barely held on to win and it was basically due to the first 6 rds.

I do agree Diego would have lost against Paul, because styles make fights and Diego tendency to get caught up in brawling would've worked against him. But from a Technical standpoint Chico was the better boxer of the 2 imo.