Inflation Reduction Act: 8/12/22 - $740B Bill PASSES, Biden signs it into law!

[Consigliere]

Who in the Democratic primary was going to beat Trump?

Every single Dem primary candidate not named Joseph Robinette Biden Jr was going to lose to Trump.

Maybe anybody with a D next to their name.

Or are you saying that Harris was somehow instrumental?

 

[Micky Mikey]

We really put the 2 worst people for this historical moment into the Whitehouse. Legislation aside, they appear to be asleep at the wheel as we head towards our appointment with full on fascism.

I’m already over this administration. Maybe the best thing Biden and Harris have to offer is their inability to win next cycle clearing the deck for real political energy.

I agree. We likely would have been at the same stalemate we're at now but at least we would have had a president that actually fought for his own agenda.

At the beginning of Bidens presidency I said his only major accomplishment will be a successful vaccine rollout. In normal times this would ideally be enough. We aren't in normal times anymore. If he wanted a 2nd term he would have had to pass something major that would personally impact the lives of millions of Americans in a positive way. And even that's hit or miss due to all the political tribalism and apathy a lot voters have towards elections.

The truth is that the system is too rotten, voters are too dumb and corporate interests are too entrenched to save this democracy on a timescale that matters. In a decade or so we'll all be trying to survive a multitute of climate change related catastrophes while being at the mercy of a science denying fascist regime that only serves the interest of wealthy elites.

 

[Worthless Loser]

And by your earlier post, voters were supposed to know that.

So again I ask, why do you think they're going to put up with this next year?

Voters don't seem that educated in politics which is why Republicans are always so successful.

Dems will most likely get steamrolled in the midterms but it will be because Republicans ran on the culture war white grievance shyt more than Dems self inflicted wounds.

Maybe anybody with a D next to their name.

Or are you saying that Harris was somehow instrumental?

Any other Dem candidate would have lost and lost big.

 

[Consigliere]

Voters don't seem that educated in politics which is why Republicans are always so successful.

Dems will most likely get steamrolled in the midterms but it will be because Republicans ran on the culture war white grievance shyt more than Dems self inflicted wounds.

Any other Dem candidate would have lost and lost big.

I don’t have the same level of faith in polling or media soon as you do.

The is a 45/45 country with some swing in the middle. People turned out to beat Trump, not support Biden. I’m not buying the idea that he dominated the field so much that he was the only guy who could possibly win. Nah. He was familiar and backed by the machine that drove up the negatives on the other qualified and authentically energized candidates in the race.

 

[Worthless Loser]

I don’t have the same level of faith in polling or media soon as you do.

The is a 45/45 country with some swing in the middle. People turned out to beat Trump, not support Biden. I’m not buying the idea that he dominated the field so much that he was the only guy who could possibly win. Nah. He was familiar and backed by the machine that drove up the negatives on the other qualified and authentically energized candidates in the race.

This country isn't a big progressive country that liberals believe it is or wish it was. Its more to the center. Biden had familiarity with voters as a former VP, to a popular President, and was seen as a middle of the road safe old white man. Independents and non Trump Republicans felt comfortable enough to support Biden over someone like Sanders or Warren who was seen as too far left and would have not received their vote. (Plus no woman or minority was going to beat Trump)

Trump would have won 330 votes easily against Sanders, Warren, Cory Booker, Pete, Kamala, Amy, Bloomberg or the other 50 people in the primary. He would have carried Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona and Pennsylvania.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

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[FAH1223]

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This is the story

In recent days, Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) has told associates that he is considering leaving the Democratic Party if President Joe Biden and Democrats on Capitol Hill do not agree to his demand to cut the size of the social infrastructure bill from $3.5 trillion to $1.75 trillion, according to people who have heard Manchin discuss this. Manchin has said that if this were to happen, he would declare himself an “American Independent.” And he has devised a detailed exit strategy for his departure.

Manchin has been in the center of a wild rush of negotiations with his fellow Democrats and the White House over a possible compromise regarding Biden’s ambitious Build Back Better package, and Manchin’s opposition to key provisions—including Medicare and Medicaid expansion, an expanded child tax credit, and measures to address climate change—has been an obstacle that the Democrats have yet to overcome. As these talks have proceeded, Manchin has discussed bolting from the Democratic Party—perhaps to place pressure on Biden and Democrats in these negotiations.

He told associates that he has a two-step plan for exiting the party. First, he would send a letter to Sen. Chuck Schumer, the top Senate Democrat, removing himself from the Democratic leadership of the Senate. (He is vice chair of the Senate Democrats’ policy and communications committee.) Manchin hopes that would send a signal. He would then wait and see if that move had any impact on the negotiations. After about a week, he said, he would change his voter registration from Democrat to independent.

It is unclear whether in this scenario Manchin would end up caucusing with the Democrats, which would allow them to continue to control the Senate, or side with the Republicans and place the Senate in GOP hands. In either event, he would hold great sway over this half of Congress.

Without Manchin’s vote, the Democrats cannot pass the package in the 50–50 Senate. And a vote on this measure is key to House passage of the $1 trillion bipartisan road-bridges-and-broadband infrastructure bill the Senate approved in August. (Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, an Arizona Democrat, has also been a problem for the party.) Manchin has met with Biden, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the chair of the Senate Budget Committee, Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), the chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and a variety of his fellow Senate Democrats this week in an effort to strike a deal. Through it all, he has insisted that $1.75 trillion is his top and final offer, and he has constantly said no to proposed programs that almost every other congressional Democrat supports. He has told his fellow Democrats that if they don’t accept his position, they risk getting nothing.

Manchin told associates that he was prepared to initiate his exit plan earlier this week and had mentioned the possibility to Biden. But he was encouraged by the conversations with Sanders and top Democrats that occurred at the start of the week and did not yet see a reason to take this step. Still, he has informed associates that because he is so out of sync with the Democratic Party, he believes it is likely he will leave the party by November 2022.

Manchin has repeatedly said he has a significant philosophical difference with most of his fellow Democrats. He has told reporters that he believes major programs in the Build Back Better bill would move the United States toward an “entitlement mentality” and that he cannot accept that. In a recent meeting with Biden, Manchin told the president that he sees government as a partner with the public not the ultimate provider, according to people who heard the senator’s account of the conversation. He explained to the president that in his view Biden didn’t win the presidency last year by championing progressive proposals, and he pressed the president to recall his campaign promise to bring people together. He also reminded Biden that he has vowed not to support any package unless it contains the Hyde Amendment, which bans the use of federal funds to pay for abortions, except in cases of incest or when the life of the mother is at risk.

In his talks with Sanders and Democratic legislators, Manchin has said that they should be willing to accept his $1.75 trillion offer and continue to fight for the social and climate change programs he doesn’t support and make these campaign issues in 2022 and 2024, as they try to elect more Democrats. Half of a bill is better than none, he has advised.

Manchin told associates that he is hopeful a compromise that creates an overall framework for the bill can be reached by the end of this week—but at no more than the $1.75 trillion he supports. He has said that he believes if a deal is not attained on the social infrastructure package, he expects to be blamed and receive a ton of criticism.

Manchin’s press secretary did not respond to a request for comment.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

 

[wire28]

HL will finally be forced to hold the GQP accountable once manchin leaves what a day that'll be

 

[wire28]

You mean like the voters in Georgia, who came out in record numbers to elect Biden and two Democratic Senators to give Dems control of the chamber?

And what have they been rewarded with?

A watered down stimulus bill
No minimum wage increase
No protections for their voting rights
No police reform

And you have the audacity to tell those voters, "Oh well. Just vote harder next time. " And then you wonder why people get checked out of politics.

since the filibuster isnt going anywhere they are going to need 65-70 blue fish to even have a shot to do anything meaningful. at the end of the day you can vote or not vote and let somebody else decide what happens for you


also speaking of blue fish, i vote for betta fish

 

[Pressure]

Both sides Joe

 

[King Kreole]

 

[Uno Venova]

Are these two Democrats sleeper agents or something?

 

[FAH1223]

 

[acri1]

HL will finally be forced to hold the GQP accountable once manchin leaves what a day that'll be

Well I mean, Republicans are the modern day Confederacy. They're automatically the ops.

But not many people in HL other than maybe @DEAD7 vote for Republicans in the first place so I'm not sure exactly how we can hold them accountable for anything...


Still, people don't want to feel like giving Dems all three chambers (even if by narrow margins) was a waste of time. Not a good way to motivate people to vote in midterms.