Inflation Reduction Act: 8/12/22 - $740B Bill PASSES, Biden signs it into law!

[wire28]

Are these two Democrats sleeper agents or something?

i wouldnt be surprised, the GQP does anything to win. the dems could learn a thing or two

 

[acri1]

Are these two Democrats sleeper agents or something?

Pretty much, yes.

Manchin is Manchin but I blame Schumer for Sinema. That was completely avoidable if he picked a better candidate.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Pretty much, yes.

Manchin is Manchin but I blame Schumer for Sinema. That was completely avoidable if he picked a better candidate.

Okay. Don’t we have a full on thread on Sinema’s transformation into a pos?

 

[wire28]

Well I mean, Republicans are the modern day Confederacy. They're automatically the ops.

But not many people in HL other than maybe @DEAD7 vote for Republicans in the first place so I'm not sure exactly how we can hold them accountable for anything...


Still, people don't want to feel like giving Dems all three chambers (even if by narrow margins) was a waste of time. Not a good way to motivate people to vote in midterms.

they are still the reason why nothing is ultimately going to pass. if even one or two of them got their manchinema on then we could still get something done but they are all collectively saying fukk everybody just as much as manchin and sinema. they deserve the same energy

also ,not that the average american cares, but in this political climate this was literally the narrowest margin possible

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Also to be clear we don’t want Manchin to become a Republican and have McTurtle become the senate majority leader again right?

 

[AquaCityBoy]

since the filibuster isnt going anywhere they are going to need 65-70 blue fish to even have a shot to do anything meaningful.

Man just say you trolling and stop playing.

 

[acri1]

they are still the reason why nothing is ultimately going to pass. if even one or two of them got their manchinema on then we could still get something done but they are all collectively saying fukk everybody just as much as manchin and sinema. they deserve the same energy

also ,not that the average american cares, but in this political climate this was literally the narrowest margin possible

That's what's frustrating, as much as we hate McConnell and the GOP at least they can keep their people in line.

I guarantee if the GOP was in this position they would've passed something by now. Even Romney really only votes against the party line when it won't make a difference.


It's beyond time to get Schumer out and put somebody in with a backbone.

 

[No1]

that's a weak ass bill...our government aint shyt and literally has no accountability to ever be shyt.

I see no path as long as the senate is designed like this. shyt is a joke.

 

[Red Shield]

not even the good chewy quaker granola bar full of sugar and chocolate...that dry, hard crumbly nature's valley shyt

they weren't that bad when I was a kid

 

[wire28]

Man just say you trolling and stop playing.

nikka im goin off your own logic from your diatribe about fish

For one thing, this assumes that there are really 48 blue fish in support of the bill. It's more than likely that the two blue fish are providing cover for the some of the other fish. We have some evidence of that by the minimum wage vote failing with only 42 votes.

Then you have to account for what the actual seats that are up for reelection look like. The media loves to push the narrative of "Democrats should be kissing Joe Manchin's seat because he's the only Democrat who can win in R+40 West Virginia" and a lot of liberals follow suit.

So when it comes to Biden's agenda not getting passed, what are the excuses people make for the fish trying to tank it?

Manchin: "Well, he's in a state that went to Trump overwhelmingly, so of course he's going to tank Biden's agenda."
Sinema: "Well, Biden won her state as well as another Democratic Senator, indicating the state's trending blue. But it's still not that blue yet, so it makes sense for her to tank Biden's agenda."

Now let's look at the map of Senate races in 2022. Assuming all Democrats won, the states Dems feel most confident to flip are WI, PA, OH, and maybe IA and FL. All redish or redish-purple states. So if Dems flip those seats, there's no guarantee that they will be on board with Biden's agenda ("we need a centrist 'conservadem' to win those seats" will be the exuse), and we'll be right back where we are now with the excuses:

FL, OH, IA: "Well, those states are Trump country, so any Dem who can win there can't be on board with Biden's agenda."
WI, PA: "Yeah, Biden won those states in 2020, but Trump won in 2016, so they're still pretty purple and and therefore any Democrat there can't be too on board with Biden's agenda."

And that's to say nothing about the 'moderates' who will defend their seats in 2022:

Hassan: "Yeah, NH is solidly blue, but she overperformed Biden in her race, so of course she doesn't want to go along with Biden's agenda."

So the point I'm trying to make is it doesn't matter how many blue fish you add. It matters what shade of blue they actually are. Just because a bunch of Dems get elected, it doesn't mean they'll go along with Biden's agenda. In fact, it's more likely they'll be blue dog corporate conservadems, and still nothing ambitious gets done.

just say you aint votin no more and KIM i aint mad at ya

 

[wire28]

That's what's frustrating, as much as we hate McConnell and the GOP at least they can keep their people in line.

I guarantee if the GOP was in this position they would've passed something by now. Even Romney really only votes against the party line when it won't make a difference.


It's beyond time to get Schumer out and put somebody in with a backbone.

agreed

they weren't that bad when I was a kid

i hate them shyts. they always leavin a mess, hard as shyt

Spoiler

rarely good.

 

[Red Shield]

People should have seen that the Democrats wouldn't do the things they promised and campaigned on?

Hell, I'll give you police reform because that's a hot button issue that leaves them open politically, no matter what they did. But there is zero excuse on voting rights since doing nothing about it screws them out of power.

So are you admitting that Democrats are too weak and incompetent to keep themselves in power? And why do you think voters will put up with this next year?

do people hear themselves


and then expect folk to just vote dem anyway

 

[AquaCityBoy]

nikka im goin off your own logic from your diatribe about fish

No, you're not, because you intentionally skipped the part where I said it mattered what shade of blue the fish were, not just the overall number (provided it's the majority of course).

And no, they don't need to be a deep navy blue. They can be a nice cobalt or even a royal. I'd even go for a neon.

do people hear themselves


and then expect folk to just vote dem anyway

We just have to vote really hard next time to get 80 blue fish, even though they'll all be in red states and therefore more likely to be Manchins and Sinemas.

 

[wire28]

No, you're not, because you intentionally skipped the part where I said it mattered what shade of blue the fish were, not just the overall number (provided it's the majority of course).

And no, they don't need to be a deep navy blue. They can be a nice cobalt or even a royal. I'd even go for a neon.


We just have to vote really hard next time to get 80 blue fish, even though they'll all be in red states and therefore more likely to be Manchins and Sinemas.

so...if you are gonna get different shades and inevitably some are gonna screw you over, you're going to need a shyt ton to offset that and get any meaningful done

im here for any solutions you have in this acute setting though

 

[AquaCityBoy]

so...if you are gonna get different shades and inevitably some are gonna screw you over, you're going to need a shyt ton to offset that and get any meaningful done

im here for any solutions you have in this acute setting though

We could always replace some of those light blue fish with a (even slightly) darker shade.