Inflation Reduction Act: 8/12/22 - $740B Bill PASSES, Biden signs it into law!

[Miles Davis]

How are you going to elect more people when the GD Republicans are making so hard to vote?

Vote harder of course

 

[Scholar]

fukk it yolo just pass something

General public has no clue what's been negotiated out

 

[Consigliere]

Seen someone bring up that the filibuster protects the republicans from themselves and I think they made a good point. Imagine if the wacky shyt they wanted was passed and people felt the effects it might wake them up like it did with trump.

This is how the status quo protects everyone in politics. There’s really no incentive to do much of anything if you’re feeling jiggy like Sinema or whoever.

 

[Pressure]

Vote harder of course

Up until a year ago y'all said you could just primary them. I guess y'all don't believe in thay anymore.

 

[Micky Mikey]

fukk it yolo just pass something

General public has no clue what's been negotiated out

The average American probably isn't even aware there is a bill to begin with.

 

[88m3]

Liberals pull that 'elect more Democrats' shyt and it pisses me off to no end.

Dems already control the House, White House and Senate and are watering their own bill that they are only negotiating with themselves. Why would you expect that not to be the case when we theoretically put more Dems in office?

And why do people think voters are gonna put up with that? The average voter does not care about Manchin or Sinema, and probably don't even know their fukking names. All they see is Democrats being in power and doing nothing worthwhile with it.

I think you're a top tier poster like @Godless Liberal CEO but could you please explain this in layman's terms for me? I know a lot of you guys have got dual degrees in STEM but I need something simple.

So the senate has 50 blue fish in varying shades of blue and 50 red fish in varying shades of red. All 50 of the senate red fish are voting no, out of the 50 senate blue fish 2 are opposed and are watering down the bill which leave 48 senate blue fish in support of the bill. Why is the solution not to gain more senate blue fish so there isn't a simple majority?

 

[MidwestD]

Well, the bill is gonna be a shyt sandwhich, but atleast President Manchin is at the table.
Once they agree on a $1.5-2t pricetag, what about Sinema?

 

[Red Shield]

From $6T to $3.5T to $2T.

President manchin strikes again

this shyt will probably end up being 1 tril or less when all said

 

[wire28]

Up until a year ago y'all said you could just primary them. I guess y'all don't believe in thay anymore.

HL likes to go back and forth between

-all we need is more progressives to run because the people will easily agree with everything they say because its the right thing

and

-they cheated us, im not voting anymore

 

[AquaCityBoy]

I think you're a top tier poster like @Godless Liberal CEO but could you please explain this in layman's terms for me? I know a lot of you guys have got dual degrees in STEM but I need something simple.

So the senate has 50 blue fish in varying shades of blue and 50 red fish in varying shades of red. All 50 of the senate red fish are voting no, out of the 50 senate blue fish 2 are opposed and are watering down the bill which leave 48 senate blue fish in support of the bill. Why is the solution not to gain more senate blue fish so there isn't a simple majority?

For one thing, this assumes that there are really 48 blue fish in support of the bill. It's more than likely that the two blue fish are providing cover for the some of the other fish. We have some evidence of that by the minimum wage vote failing with only 42 votes.

Then you have to account for what the actual seats that are up for reelection look like. The media loves to push the narrative of "Democrats should be kissing Joe Manchin's seat because he's the only Democrat who can win in R+40 West Virginia" and a lot of liberals follow suit.

So when it comes to Biden's agenda not getting passed, what are the excuses people make for the fish trying to tank it?

Manchin: "Well, he's in a state that went to Trump overwhelmingly, so of course he's going to tank Biden's agenda."
Sinema: "Well, Biden won her state as well as another Democratic Senator, indicating the state's trending blue. But it's still not that blue yet, so it makes sense for her to tank Biden's agenda."

Now let's look at the map of Senate races in 2022. Assuming all Democrats won, the states Dems feel most confident to flip are WI, PA, OH, and maybe IA and FL. All redish or redish-purple states. So if Dems flip those seats, there's no guarantee that they will be on board with Biden's agenda ("we need a centrist 'conservadem' to win those seats" will be the exuse), and we'll be right back where we are now with the excuses:

FL, OH, IA: "Well, those states are Trump country, so any Dem who can win there can't be on board with Biden's agenda."
WI, PA: "Yeah, Biden won those states in 2020, but Trump won in 2016, so they're still pretty purple and and therefore any Democrat there can't be too on board with Biden's agenda."

And that's to say nothing about the 'moderates' who will defend their seats in 2022:

Hassan: "Yeah, NH is solidly blue, but she overperformed Biden in her race, so of course she doesn't want to go along with Biden's agenda."

So the point I'm trying to make is it doesn't matter how many blue fish you add. It matters what shade of blue they actually are. Just because a bunch of Dems get elected, it doesn't mean they'll go along with Biden's agenda. In fact, it's more likely they'll be blue dog corporate conservadems, and still nothing ambitious gets done.

 

[Pressure]

HL likes to go back and forth between

-all we need is more progressives to run because the people will easily agree with everything they say because its the right thing

and

-they cheated us, im not voting anymore

That and shytting on incremental change when those are the people they elected.

People's expectations for Biden aren't sky high and many didn't vote for him for his principled policy positions. They just wanted to get Trump out.

Him passing things that change and curtail the narrative that dems don't do anything should be his target and dems target heading into the next election.

But you're right, we've reached the point in the cycle where people are floating the same failed idea that they aren't going to vote and Republicans will win as if that harms the millionaire senators more than themselves or that it will lead to some progressive revolution in a yet to be seen election.

It's amusing so I'm ways here ready to as they go through the loop.

 

[radio rahiem]

WATTBA
Democrats tank democratic president’s agenda

 

[NZA]

welcome to electoral politics HELL, brehs

HL LEFT
"Progressive ideas are popular!"

"These (rednecks/black boomers) vote against their own interests."

"We lost due to dirty tricks!"

HL CENTER
"Moderate Dems are a pragmatic path to progress, and if you don't vote for them, you are standing in the way."

"Ok, now we need to elect a few more moderate dems to make those 2 moderate dems less moderate."

"Why hasn't Bernie Sanders fixed this goddamn shyt, huh?"

DEAD7
"reaction smiley"

 

[AquaCityBoy]

If you can't make the effort to elect the people you want to pass the things that you want then you shouldn't expect much.

You mean like the voters in Georgia, who came out in record numbers to elect Biden and two Democratic Senators to give Dems control of the chamber?

And what have they been rewarded with?

A watered down stimulus bill
No minimum wage increase
No protections for their voting rights
No police reform

And you have the audacity to tell those voters, "Oh well. Just vote harder next time. " And then you wonder why people get checked out of politics.

 

[ZoeGod]

Excluding free community college is a major mistake. You already have young men of all races dropping out of college in record numbers and abandoning higher education. College isn’t for everyone but you still need college to get high paying jobs. And many of the reasons why a lot of men are leaving college is because it’s so damn expensive. Free community college would be a start to attract these men back into higher education. There was studies that showed men who aren’t in college are less likely to marry, rise up the economic ladder etc. This will be a major long term problem because as we seen with Trumpism it caters to men who aren’t college educated. So in the long run if the majority of men are not college educated they will be attracted to fascism and far right bullshyt. When a man is broke, has no p*ssy he is more prone to radicalism. We have seen this time and time again in the Mideast. White boys are getting more and more radical as the years go on. First it was the Tea Party, then the alt-right, then MAGA, then Blue Lives Matter, to then Qanon and now anti vax/anti mask mandates. Rising anti-intellectualism is gonna be a problem for this country’s stability in the long term.