King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
yeah there are enough Ls to go around
Inflation Reduction Act: 8/12/22 - $740B Bill PASSES, Biden signs it into law!
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Damn, we really gonna be enemies at the end of the year. I hate it had to be youBraves World Series champs, and Georgia going to whip Michigan ass on December 31
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I understand why they have to phrase it as if "the people of WV" are the victims here and how Manchin has let them down, but I'm so tired of Bernie, Ilhan, and anyone else tap dancing around the obvious. The people of WV ARE Joe Manchin. He's been winning elections there for 40 years now.
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
What does that mean though? Realistically.... what can really be done for Manchin to be a yes? He's the 50th vote... He's not the 53rd vote.
If only Nelson spent money on Spanish language ads
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
Cubans are GOP and now more than ever Mexicans are also GOP because they love the Trump/Right "Macho" sh-t... because they are all short and fat.
It's funny how much we hear about Manchin's word and Sinema's word. If you are serious about passing anything, their words are irrelevant, but I'm told by the smart people, you can't make any elected official do anything.
Americans obviously take an L
Progressives take an L for believing the evil centrist manchin would do the right thing (or if you want to play games, believing the inept Biden would have the power to make manchin do the right thing)
Biden takes an L because his G card has officially been taken and there isn’t shyt he can professionally do about it
Kamala takes an L for CTG calling her out and literally within 48 hours manchin showed us who the real president is
i know this is HL and thankfully everybody has the answer of what to do next so I’ll just sit back and wait for them
I don't want to hear any DEMS protect Manchin by not criticizing him like Kamala did during the Chalmane Da God show. Like he said let the nation know he is the problem. If this was the other way around Trump would have trashed this dude into submission. We literally need the DEM version of Trump but this party is so beyond pathetic and weak. Wake me up in 2 years...
Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
You can trash him but what does that do? He won't be shamed into voting.. he's shown that he's already shameless.
Bernie needs to cut out the measly explain to the voters act and go back to pointing out the obvious conflicts of interests of these senators. Go back to the Bernie of old. Thats part of his whole original appeal that made him popular in the first place. None of these people are your friends and whether you feel that way about them, it can't matter to you politically unless you want to be powerless.
2020 and so far this year should show him there's no point in playing nice with the party. It gets you nothing.
2020 and so far this year should show him there's no point in playing nice with the party. It gets you nothing.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Manchin was never going to be a Yes. Biden's strategy of coddling Manchin doesn't get him any closer to a Yes. Taking a more antagonistic tack towards Manchin wouldn't have gotten him to a yes either, but it would have given Democrats the ability to channel anger and whip up sentiment, a path that was neutered by Biden's strategy. Ironically, this would have given them the best chance at building a more robust Democratic majority, which would have made Manchin less relevant, which is ironically what these same coddling Democrats are scolding progressives about. But from a potentially apathetic voter's perspective, what are a bunch of scared, non-confrontationalists going to do with more margins? If they can't even be bothered to fight now, why would sympathetic people vote to keep them in power? This is how apathy is built.
The problem is that this era of establishment Democrats are habitually terrified of Democracy and actually governing, they have been since Reagan kicked their ass. They fundamentally just don't believe they have the legitimacy of American public support, they believe this is a country of latent Reaganites, so they run away from aggressive, populist sentiments or proactively taking a fighting stance, instead choosing to shy away from any actions that can actually draw attention or going on the offensive. They're just naturally more comfortable being on the backfoot and reacting to the right. So it's unthinkable for them to do bold or aggressive things. And even when they do lean towards doing those things, they immediately couch it in the language of technocracy to douse any potential stirrings, because once people see that you can actually do things, you're on the hook for doing more things in the future. FDR would have kicked Manchin's ass in public. Even if that wouldn't get Manchin to a Yes, it would have shown the people that Democrats are worth a damn and willing to fight for them. Trying and failing is a better electoral strategy than not trying at all.
I rather them trash him then protect his image. It's a wrap after this. He doesn't get another chance. Going forward his vote doesn't exist. If he happens to agree to a bill great but if he doesn't they can't go on a tv campaign begging for a vote. They have a better chance convincing 1 or 2 republicans.
