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When there was no vaccine and the gubment was handing out checks, I could understand why people weren't going back to work.

But the vaccines are here, checks have stopped, and the wages have gone up. So where are all these people going?
 

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When there was no vaccine and the gubment was handing out checks, I could understand why people weren't going back to work.

But the vaccines are here, checks have stopped, and the wages have gone up. So where are all these people going?
There was mostly adults working in the restaurant industry trying to make ends meet most of the time and dealing with shytty bosses. During the pandemic like many others, they re-evaluated their life and began exploring other career options, some are living off their savings, some have retired, and some just went to restaurants that were giving them more etc.

It's a employee market now, and if a company wants to stay in business they need to make themselves more desirable than the next.
 

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My problem with capitalism is that, as practiced today, it is failing to create shared prosperity, leading to the unraveling of society and interpersonal connections, and actively leading to the earth being uninhabitable for humankind. Is that simple enough?

I didn’t ask about today. I simply asked you to explain what you had wrong with the definition. You can’t because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with an economy’s industry and trade being equal in the hands of citizens. But since you can’t say what’s wrong with that you keep pointing to it being rigged today as to why it doesn’t work. That’s not going to slide for people who know what capitalism essentially is while also knowing that what we’re seeing today is totally rigged. Not to mention that welfare is a form of socialism..

Private industry should be in control in some aspects of trade and production, but not in others. Capitalism is a means to an end: SHARED prosperity, not just prosperity, and where it fails, government should play a role. Case in point, health care and child care are places where government should play more of a role. Your approach of "who controls industry and trade" is way too simple of a question.

See here’s the agenda. The same people are in power in each scenario. They’re the ones rigging it for themselves and in socialism they’d be able to rig it even more for themselves. Not the answer.
For example, I don't think the government should wield negotiating power for something like hair loss pills, but I do think it should be throwing its weight around for something like insulin. Does that make me a capitalist? Socialist? Communist?

If we're picking up on the slider analogy, a capitalism slider that's closer to socialism than corporatism would do way better in creating SHARED prosperity for people. Look at the Nordic countries. People say "we can't have what they have", but the only legit reason is racism. Not the size of the US or any of that other bullshyt that gets spit out.

At the very least, we need socialism where profit motives are in contrast with people's ability to, idk, not die or go completely bankrupt due to a temporary lapse in employment. Or to not have to have a herculean effort to turn your family's socioeconomic status around.

None of the benefits of capitalism that most human on this planet enjoy can actually enjoy get destroyed by having medicare for all, a single bloc negotiatior for drugs you need to stay alive, etc. We're literally talking about adjustments that would have some billionaires only able to make 20 generations of their family millionaires instead of 30, lead to smaller yachts, less private space flights, etc.

All I’m saying is everything you’re pointing to is a result of the rigging of capitalism and not capitalism itself. Say you have a problem with that if that’s what it is. But pretending its capitalism in itself? If that was the case you’d answer using the definition
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I didn’t ask about today. I simply asked you to explain what you had wrong with the definition. You can’t because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with an economy’s industry and trade being equal in the hands of citizens. But since you can’t say what’s wrong with that you keep pointing to it being rigged today as to why it doesn’t work. That’s not going to slide for people who know what capitalism essentially is while also knowing that what we’re seeing today is totally rigged. Not to mention that welfare is a form of socialism..



All I’m saying is everything you’re pointing to is a result of the rigging of capitalism and not capitalism itself. Say you have a problem with that if that’s what it is. But pretending its capitalism in itself? If that was the case you’d answer using the definition
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Breh, you're doing exactly what communists do. "That's not true communism! Read the definition of communism!" Um OK breh, if it's only communism if practiced as the pure form of communism, I guess you're right...

Same shyt here - are you going to argue that we don't live in a capitalist country?
 

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When there was no vaccine and the gubment was handing out checks, I could understand why people weren't going back to work.

But the vaccines are here, checks have stopped, and the wages have gone up. So where are all these people going?

a lot of old people retired, a lot of old people died of covid as well and likely a considerable amount of relatives got inheritances that they're currently living off of.

childcare is expensive and many families adapted during the pandemic by having a stay at home parent.

some people started their own businesses.
 

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People are fed up. Scared of covid, not because they think they’d die but because they know they couldn’t afford to be sick and lose wages for 1-2 weeks or more. Why risk your health and livelihood for low wages for bosses who treat you like shyt and customers who treat you worse.

Call me crazy but sounds like something that could be dealt with with good social policies, universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, etc :jbhmm:

What's your military's budget again?:troll::francis:
 
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I didn’t ask about today. I simply asked you to explain what you had wrong with the definition. You can’t because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with an economy’s industry and trade being equal in the hands of citizens. But since you can’t say what’s wrong with that you keep pointing to it being rigged today as to why it doesn’t work. That’s not going to slide for people who know what capitalism essentially is while also knowing that what we’re seeing today is totally rigged. Not to mention that welfare is a form of socialism..



All I’m saying is everything you’re pointing to is a result of the rigging of capitalism and not capitalism itself. Say you have a problem with that if that’s what it is. But pretending its capitalism in itself? If that was the case you’d answer using the definition
:hubie:
Imagine stating that capitalism is an economic system that puts “industry and trade being equal in the hands of citizens.”


Wooo boy
 

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I didn’t ask about today. I simply asked you to explain what you had wrong with the definition. You can’t because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with an economy’s industry and trade being equal in the hands of citizens. But since you can’t say what’s wrong with that you keep pointing to it being rigged today as to why it doesn’t work. That’s not going to slide for people who know what capitalism essentially is while also knowing that what we’re seeing today is totally rigged. Not to mention that welfare is a form of socialism..



All I’m saying is everything you’re pointing to is a result of the rigging of capitalism and not capitalism itself. Say you have a problem with that if that’s what it is. But pretending its capitalism in itself? If that was the case you’d answer using the definition
:hubie:

capitalism inexorably leads to a concentration of wealth in the hands of a minority.
 

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let parts of the economy crater and rebuild properly in 2008 so that fundamentals would be in a better place now to handle the current round of support measures.

you're overlooking the largest motivator for stimuluses in the first place, to incentive people to remain home while a deadly virus was circulating.

the u.s wasn't alone among first world nations in providing financial aid to their citizens.
 

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I guess I'm not the only one with an agenda.. :mjlol:

Also I'm not sure why you'd expect a socialist to be on board with any economic system that requires there to be human suffering whether in your country or another (or in americans case both) in order for it to be successful

I asked a simple question of what’s the problem with an economy’s industry and trade being controlled by the people and you’ve been skating around it ever since. The answer is that there’s nothing wrong with that. It only becomes wrong when the govt allows it and passes laws that allow it to be rigged.

You sidestep because you have an agenda to pass off
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