Yagirlcheatinonus
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Not better than Havoc.
In all seriousness, at what point do we start saying Alchemist is the greatest producer ever?
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Whips-n-Chains
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He's crushing the longevity b/c he's been making heat since 1999 and has gotten better over the years.
However, his peaks haven't been as high, influential, or impactful as some of his peers, for example:
RZA 1993-97
Dre 1992-96 (peak, but really 88-2005 was all heat)
Q-Tip 1990-95
Havoc 95-2000
Premier 94-98
These peaks are nearly untouchable, even if Alc continues to make dope ass beats for another decade. These producers influenced pretty much everyone (including eachother) making beats in the golden era. Obviously, Alc's impact and influence is no where near someone like RZA or Dre.
With that said, he's my favorite active producer in the game. I don't think RZA, Dre, etc. really have it in them to make consistent dope beats at this point in time.
However, his peaks haven't been as high, influential, or impactful as some of his peers, for example:
RZA 1993-97
Dre 1992-96 (peak, but really 88-2005 was all heat)
Q-Tip 1990-95
Havoc 95-2000
Premier 94-98
These peaks are nearly untouchable, even if Alc continues to make dope ass beats for another decade. These producers influenced pretty much everyone (including eachother) making beats in the golden era. Obviously, Alc's impact and influence is no where near someone like RZA or Dre.
With that said, he's my favorite active producer in the game. I don't think RZA, Dre, etc. really have it in them to make consistent dope beats at this point in time.
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can make a argument for the underground goat for sure. the shyt hes blessed them with the past decade or so is crazy
that boldy james tape has some of my fave content from rap in recent memory
that boldy james tape has some of my fave content from rap in recent memory
DontEemTry
Superstar
I like Alc. A lot.
But I see the agenda. First Em is the GOAT. Now Alc the GOAT producer ehh?
Just waiting on Adele to be named the GOAT R&B singer and the cypher will be complete
But I see the agenda. First Em is the GOAT. Now Alc the GOAT producer ehh?
Just waiting on Adele to be named the GOAT R&B singer and the cypher will be complete
As good as he is I don't think any of his projects stand up to the classics the other GOAT producers created. And to me that is what i value above anything when it comes to hip hop producers.
I also think his beats don't standout in the way they used to. Like they're dope but it's almost just nice background music. I don't hear many Keep It Thoros or Tha Realest from him these days. Them beats that just instantly grab you by the throat. He's on a more etherial steez these days which makes for more coherent projects but less highlights.
I also think his beats don't standout in the way they used to. Like they're dope but it's almost just nice background music. I don't hear many Keep It Thoros or Tha Realest from him these days. Them beats that just instantly grab you by the throat. He's on a more etherial steez these days which makes for more coherent projects but less highlights.
Figaro
Superstar
Alc clearly has credentials to be top 10 (He is for me), insane amount of incredible albums in his arsenal when it comes to producer debates but he just doesn't have that 1 album that shifted rap in some shape of form....
36 Chambers, Mass Appeal, Mecca & The Soul Brother, The Chronic & The Infamous etc.
That's the only thing that prevents him for being in the conversation with the RZA, Dre, Premo, Pete Rock etc IMO.
36 Chambers, Mass Appeal, Mecca & The Soul Brother, The Chronic & The Infamous etc.
That's the only thing that prevents him for being in the conversation with the RZA, Dre, Premo, Pete Rock etc IMO.
Metal Face
Superstar
most overrated producer ever and I like Alc 
KnickstapeCity
RIP Big Dikk :wow: :mjcry:
Alcachemist is nice 
At this point he is still the most consistent producer but far from the best. When you speak best producers Alc will need classic albums to stand next to theirs
Dope album, but imagine comparing that to 36 Chambers, OB4CL or Liquid Swords
Dope album, but imagine comparing that to 36 Chambers, OB4CL or Liquid Swords
That’s not really his fault though.
Albert Einstein
Post his top 5 beats
Bugzbunny129
All Star
Alcs albums are lacking. Havent been a huge fan of his since he started putting the madlib influence in his stuff.
My fav al is early nyc ug al. He still drops heat but hes a single guy at heart
The other guys created their sounds while al just continued off muggs blueprint while using a piece of diff other producers vibes to round out. Al is a superior single producer, but muggs a better full album producer.
My fav al is early nyc ug al. He still drops heat but hes a single guy at heart
The other guys created their sounds while al just continued off muggs blueprint while using a piece of diff other producers vibes to round out. Al is a superior single producer, but muggs a better full album producer.