I'm sorry but has there actually been a worse president than Trump?

[Professor Emeritus]

Let me also add:

Turned the DOJ into his own personal defense attorney network and appointed maybe two of the most corrupt AG's ever to leadership.

Used the military against his own citizens that were practicing their 1st Amendment rights only steps outside of White House grounds, then barricading the White House from the rest of the city.

I wouldn't call Sessions corrupt. Most of Trump's cabinet is corrupt but Sessions is just someone with horrible views and policies. I don't particularly recall anything Sessions did that was more corrupt than the average AG, and that's what pissed Trump off so much about him.

Barr is probably the most corrupt AG in history, definitely should have included that.

And Trump using the DOJ and everyone else to handle his own personal business.

And yeah, the shyt with the church photo op and White House barricade is unprecedented in modern presidential history....or maybe ever?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

nixon lowkey underrated. he was a slimy paranoid crook but he wasnt bad in office in terms of accomplishments. he was more liberal than clinton

Well that was before Reagan started almost 16 years of GOP control of the White House until Clinton stepped in.

Again, a lot of what Trump is doing is regular republican shyt.

His abuse of the executive office is astounding though.

Don't think no one sees what you're doing there.

Justify Clinton's shytty policy cause the republicans are so bad, and then exaggerate how bad the Republicans are by equating them all to Trump.


By 2024 you Democratic Establishment shills are going to be trying to convince us to vote for Mitt fukking Romney, "Sure, he has some conservative views but look at how bad the enemy is! We have to toss this bone to the wealthy just to compete! "

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Don't think no one sees what you're doing there.

Justify Clinton's shytty policy cause the republicans are so bad, and then exaggerate how bad the Republicans are by equating them all to Trump.


By 2024 you Democratic Establishment shills are going to be trying to convince us to vote for Mitt fukking Romney, "Sure, he has some conservative views but look at how bad the enemy is! We have to toss this bone to the wealthy just to compete! "

This country has 45 presidents.

I don't know what's so controversial about doing a fully tally here.

I've listed multiple ways that Trump is bad.

If you want a fan to agree with you, just say so. If you want to be a man with his own opinions, you should have opted to do that.

 

[DonKnock]

In modern history? No.

The only ones that have an argument are Jackson and Buchanan.

Trump has, for the worse, challenged the order of government and limits of presidential power more than any other president in history. Not only that, but he has a fundamental lack of knowledge and respect for the position.

Yes Native American genocide is definitely right up there (Jackson)

 

[CopiousX]

We are living too much in the moment. Its not as bad when you compare it to the entire history of US presidents.




If we mean incompetence in leadership and foreign policy, then James Madison is the only president to let the whitehouse burn. He foolishly waged war against a Brittish backed Canada and paid the price.





On Racial matters Wilson and Jackson take the cake for treatment of black folk.





Even if we weighed Trmp for supporting corporations over his own people, presidents McKinley(installed by Rockefeller and Carnegie), Reagan(obvious), and Hoover(wouldn't break trusts) were orders of magnitude worse than Trmp currently is.

 

[MoneyTron]

Yes Native American genocide is definitely right up there (Jackson)

Well I meant Johnson(keep getting them mixed up), but Jackson counts too.

 

[acri1]

We are living too much in the moment. Its not as bad when you compare it to the entire history of US presidents.




If we mean incompetence in leadership and foreign policy, then James Madison is the only president to let the whitehouse burn. He foolishly waged war against a Brittish backed Canada and paid the price.





On Racial matters Wilson and Jackson take the cake for treatment of black folk.





Even if we weighed Trmp for supporting corporations over his own people, presidents McKinley(installed by Rockefeller and Carnegie), Reagan(obvious), and Hoover(wouldn't break trusts) were orders of magnitude worse than Trmp currently is.

Maybe, but I think in terms of how he affects the social environment of the country overall, Trump might be the WOAT.

These days I legit feel like I live in the Idiocracy. Half the country believes in retarded conspiracy theories about the earth being flat, QAnon, Coronavirus being fake, climate change denial, etc.



Maybe I just didn't notice it when I was a kid, but I really don't remember people being that stupid in the 90s and 2000s. It's like the world got dumber after I grew up. It's depressing.

 

[MoneyTron]

We are living too much in the moment. Its not as bad when you compare it to the entire history of US presidents.

The job of the President is more expansive than ever and its consequences can be far more damaging domestically and worldwide than any president pre-WWII could've ever imagined. And he's failed worse than anyone in that role.

You can name presidents that are specifically worse on some things but no one does everything badly like Trump.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

Trump is the worst. This country is on the verge of falling into the abyss. And he is the cause.

 

[.r.]

dikk Cheney (VP) aka the real president.

 

[CopiousX]

more expansive than ever and its consequences can be far more damaging domestically and worldwide than any president pre-WWII could've ever imagined. And he's failed worse than anyone in that role.

You can name presidents that are specifically worse on some things but no one does everything badly like Trump.

I do concede this point. Like a food critic going on a binge, Trmp has an amazing talent for dabbling in every type of fckery .





A jack of all trades.

 

[DirtyD]

George W. Bush:
1. Failed to stop 9/11 despite the advanced warning.
2. Ignored the Taliban's offer to turn over Bin Laden.
3. Launched two wars that to date have cost the United States 6.4 trillion dollars.
4. These wars caused the region to become more unstable and laid the foundation for the creation of the most prominent middle east terrorist networks today.
5. "...slashed funding for flood control and sent many National Guard reserves to Iraq...", prior to Hurricane Katrina.
6. Essentially instituted martial law in some of the areas most affected by Katrina and suspended habeas corpus:

In the virtual martial law imposed in New Orleans after Katrina, the war on the poor sometimes even spilled over into the war on terror. In his latest book Zeitoun, published in July, Dave Eggers tells the story of a local Syrian immigrant who stayed in New Orleans to protect his properties and ended up organizing makeshift relief efforts and rescuing people in a canoe. He continued right up until he was arrested by a group of unidentified, heavily armed men in uniform, thrown into Camp Greyhound, and questioned as a suspected terrorist. In an interview with Salon, Eggers said:
Zeitoun was among thousands of people who were doing “Katrina time” after the storm. There was a complete suspension of all legal processes and there were no hearings, no courts for months and months and not enough folks in the judicial system really seemed all that concerned about it. Some human-rights activists and some attorneys, but otherwise it seemed to be the cost of doing business. It really could have only happened at that time; 2005 was just the exact meeting place of the Bush-era philosophy towards law enforcement and incarceration, their philosophy toward habeas corpus and their neglect and indifference to the plight of New Orleanians.

7. Gave billions of dollars to private contractors to poorly "assist" with both the war efforts and the response to Katrina.


I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other shyt.

 

[acri1]

George W. Bush:
1. Failed to stop 9/11 despite the advanced warning.
2. Ignored the Taliban's offer to turn over Bin Laden.
3. Launched two wars that to date have cost the United States 6.4 trillion dollars.
4. These wars caused the region to become more unstable and laid the foundation for the creation of the most prominent middle east terrorist networks today.
5. "...slashed funding for flood control and sent many National Guard reserves to Iraq...", prior to Hurricane Katrina.
6. Essentially instituted martial law in some of the areas most affected by Katrina and suspended habeas corpus:

7. Gave billions of dollars to private contractors to poorly "assist" with both the war efforts and the response to Katrina.


I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other shyt.

Bush = Worse in terms of Foreign Policy
Trump = Worse domestically


Katrina was bad but it doesn't hold a candle to Coronavirus. And Bush wasn't sitting around encouraging white supremacists like Trump does...the long term impact on that shouldn't be understated.

 

[the cac mamba]

right now, its W Bush. and if trump just bytches for a week and accepts his election loss, its still W Bush. trump's blustering and dangerousness and incompetence will have, ultimately, been overcome and the country will move on

but if trump really destroys this democracy and doesnt accept the election he's easily the greatest threat to the peaceful transition of power we've seen since the civil war

 

[invincible1914]

George W. Bush:
1. Failed to stop 9/11 despite the advanced warning.
2. Ignored the Taliban's offer to turn over Bin Laden.
3. Launched two wars that to date have cost the United States 6.4 trillion dollars.
4. These wars caused the region to become more unstable and laid the foundation for the creation of the most prominent middle east terrorist networks today.
5. "...slashed funding for flood control and sent many National Guard reserves to Iraq...", prior to Hurricane Katrina.
6. Essentially instituted martial law in some of the areas most affected by Katrina and suspended habeas corpus:

7. Gave billions of dollars to private contractors to poorly "assist" with both the war efforts and the response to Katrina.


I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot of other shyt.

All of this is true, George W/Cheney did all of that, but did they ever launch an attack on US citizens?