I'm Sorry But Fat Joe is not a Culture Vulture, AT ALL!

[kingofnyc]

Christopher Williams grew up around my way in The Bronx.

Back in the day before he was famous, everyone swore he was Puerto Rican (he is biracial).

we lived in da same project … Chris is several years older then me tho
i believe he’s a North nikka & lived in a building adjacent to one of my closest friends back then which was across the street from Cardinal Spellman high school

 

[UberEatsDriver]

This fact burns Coli nikka’s souls who are not educated on the origin of hip hop and nyc hip hop. Black carribeans too.

Imma keep it real with you. Idk why this fact bothers black people who aren’t from NY so much. It’s the same issue I have with people who get bothered that Cali has asian crips

idk their politics so I’m not going to waste my time getting mad at it.


I also don’t get people who just want all the glory. What’s wrong with sharing it?

 

[UberEatsDriver]

I'm a "dusty bytch" for calling Fat Joe anti-Black and Racist. And a "culture-vulture."

I'll be that then.

You don’t know what a racist is then.

 

[UberEatsDriver]

Perhaps he feels he can say it because he's probably been called that?

Personally I feel anyone with black blood and at least some black phenotypes can use it how they want.

These dudes are all phony tho. You go on YouTube and throughout the country you see people using the N word and none of the black folks in the video care. But online it’s a different story I really want to know why these dudes online don’t do something in person

 

[Wild self]

Pretty sad to see black folk on here NOT on code, even on an issue like this

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

like what the hell does this have to do with what you originally said … a black dude saying he couldn’t talk to a Puerto Rican girl back in those dayz - has to do with Blacks & Ricans Unity in gang culture
You do understand that back in those days everything was territorial … It was frowned on if a dude tried to holla at a girl who live outside of his section/area/project whatever u wanna call it

The sociology of the 50s/60s/70s Bronx and NYC was that people who lived in your housing project were your family or clan.

A southern-heritage Black teen who grew up in Bronx River with Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans, considered those folks in his project to be "family" moreso than him/her being connected to a random, southern-heritage Black teen who lived in Soundview.

Those days, it was all about who lived on your floor, in your building. Everything hyperlocal.

To this day, I have cousins who still treat crossing the Throgs Neck or Whitestone for a ride to Queens and Long Island like they are traveling to China.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

we lived in da same project … Chris is several years older then me tho
i believe he’s a North nikka & lived in a building adjacent to one of my closest friends back then which was across the street from Cardinal Spellman high school

That would prob be Edenwald. Slick Rick territory.

 

[kingofnyc]

That would prob be Edenwald. Slick Rick territory.

yesss sir
went to Evander Childs with Slick Rick lil redbone sister - cool shortie

BTW - Slick owned 2 houses a few blocks away from Edenwald … around 233rd : used to chill with many of them Mount Vernon/Yonkers/New Rochelle nikkaz around that area like Al B. Sure, Heavy D (RIP), Pete Rock, Puba, Puff etc…

 

[IllmaticDelta]

like what the hell does this have to do with what you originally said … a black dude saying he couldn’t talk to a Puerto Rican girl back in those dayz - has to do with Blacks & Ricans Unity in gang culture
You do understand that back in those days everything was territorial … It was frowned on if a dude tried to holla at a girl who live outside of his section/area/project whatever u wanna call it

You have to read between the lines....that along with everything else I posted on the racial based schism that early latino pioneers in hiphop testified to. Just to add more context to the NYC black and latin dynamic which would lead up into the 1970s:

these 2 guys pretty much fathered the NYC "Latin" music, base; they're Cubans that gave the Nuyorican population a style to run with

now for some context,

bauza (cuban) called lighter skinned Ricans out on their bs

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as you can see, lighter skinned Ricans (who thought they were white) was on some BS from the jump and this dynamic no doubt, still existed by the time hiphop was first emerging. Now, it's true that ricans and blacks had positive interaction prior to hiphop but as I explained before, that was all dependent on age, era and subculture. For example, there were numerous light and dark Ricans in Afram jazz bands going back to the 1920s NYC; in the 50's you had Ricans joining in Afram DooWop groups; in the 60s you had Ricans joining Afram poet societies and black power organizations but these Ricans didn't represent the average Rican at large.

well, inna older thread - as we was going back-and-forth with your disrespect to Kool Herc … when I said I was born and raise in the North Bronx you then took a shot at my hood and I replied with “where u from” & u never answered

so, i only assumed u wasn’t a Bronx nikka

Na, I been mentioned it to you in one of these old threads

 

[Unemployed GM]

Yeah...racism and tribalism are for low level dwellers. The world is moving past that.

The movers and shakers are moving into transhumanism. Transhumanism is the fast approaching future. Where your augmentations aren't black or white.

Only us commoners are still living in the 20th century where race and nationality matter.

Transhumanism is at least 75 years away. Meanwhile your people here in the present have to deal with vulture capitalism facilitated by white supremacy.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

A bit off topic, but Ricans have been coming to NY well before 1970s bro, simple research will tell you that.

Historical Puerto Rican population in New York City
Year Pop. ±%

1920 7,364 +1229.2%
1940 61,463 +734.6%
1950 187,420 +204.9%
1960 612,574 +226.8%
1970 817,712 +33.5%
1980 860,552 +5.2%
1990 896,763 +4.2%
2000 789,172 −12.0%
2010 723,621 −8.3%
2012 730,848 +1.0%

I know but they kept to themselves/own culture for the most part which is how/why they weren't there at the start of hiphop. Afram musical culture in those years, was always the dominant force in NYC which why Latins and West Indians would always eventually gravitate and/or appropriate said musical culture

 

[Unemployed GM]

This fat joe culture vulture shyt shows me the limitations of identity politics.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

I know but they kept to themselves/own culture for the most part which is how/why they weren't there at the start of hiphop. Afram musical culture in those years, was always the dominant force in NYC which why Latins and West Indians would always eventually gravitate and/or appropriate said musical culture

Agreed, with that being said everyone knows (or should know) HipHop is solely a Black creation, and I say that as a Puerto Rican.

 

[Doctor Wily]

Excellent thread.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Agreed, with that being said everyone knows (or should know) HipHop is solely a Black creation, and I say that as a Puerto Rican.

see, what most people fail to understand is that in NYC , in those days, while technically living in the same hoods, the 2 cultures were not close associates. What would happen is that you always get a handful of latins (cubans and ricans prior to hiphop era and mainly ricans during hiphop) would attempt to explore Afram culture and at some point would get invited in by Aframs. What also ended up happening because Afram musical culture was the dominant form in not only NYC but the USA at large, Latins had to rock with Aframs if they really want to get on. This is how Latins made it big in Afram jazz circles (1920/1930/1940) prior to the Mambo Big Bands (late 1940s into 1950s) and later, Salsa (1970s) which were heavily based in Afram Jazz scene

.....this is the same reason why puerto rican youth of the 1960's went high and far out of their way to craft a music (the first mainstream latin pop music genre) that displayed trapping of afram life/musical culture

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samething would happen later in Disco; aframs innovate/pioneer-->ricans show up later after being invited in and then open the flood gates for their people

...and then people think Ricans were there from the startclub 371 was a black club/disco

aframs weren't going to no latino clubs