I'm Sorry But Fat Joe is not a Culture Vulture, AT ALL!

[hatealot]

Nope, it was some cat in a bar who had a couple black friends with him. He was uttering that word like he got paid for each mention. I tapped him on the shoulder, introduced myself, and told him that his use of the word was bothersome. He looked around as if l was joking, shocked someone would approach him like that. His friends were silent, because even they knew he shouldn’t have been saying it. I looked at him the way Tony looked at that guy wearing a hat in the restaurant. He knew I was serious.

Didn’t hear him say it a single time after that.

Oh okay

 

[Ozymandeas]

You dumbass, did you take notice of the dates? HipHop has been around since about 71, Ricans came in more towards 1977-81, that mean Ricans were not there at the start. Step up your reading comprehension

according to caz, ricans came in more around 78-79

cholly rock says ricans came in around 1979-1981










puerto ricans were in the same hoods but they weren't in/around hiphop until the later 1970s because the 2 populations of the specific age group were rivals, enemies and simply didn't associate with one another. here is abby and trac2 talking about the negative energy that existed between blacks and latins (ricans) and that the two groups used to rumble against each other. it was until they had meeting with zulu nation that, that enegry died off and the two groups came together (this is late 1970s)

Nikka you retarded and you arguing with yourself. First you said there were no Puerto Rican’s in the early hip hop scene WHICH IS AN ASININE STATEMENT now you in an argument with yourself about which year in the 70s they came in at. You dumb. Not only is The Bronx the most heavily Hispanic borough, you can just Google you stupid muthafukka. There’s tons of pics with Hispanics in photos from the 70s. Afrika Bambatta and Kool Herc had Rican’s in their crew. DJ Disco Wiz was Hispanic.

Look at these pictures dumbass

hip hop 1970s - Google Search

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The Bronx in the 70's was a rough, dangerous place to grow up. The youth were surrounded by drugs, crime, poverty, gang violence, and overall struggle.

Yet they, particularly the African American and Latino youth (minority groups), were at best neglected by mainstream institutions.

Desperate for a way to escape their everyday struggles, they invented their own art forms.

I’m not arguing this nonsense anymore. You obviously a little kid, not from the East Coast or you a trolling ass loser. Either way I don’t got the time for your nonsense. We need to have downvote option in here because y’all be saying stupid ass sh*t, incorrect ass sh*t and just trolling for daps. I wish y’all nikkas could get banned. You add nothing to the convo when you blatantly trolling and being stupid

Stop quoting me

 

[Ozymandeas]

breh - your a solid poster in all : but u ain’t from da Bronx …. so, why would u even make that ridiculous statement

I don't even know why folks from nyc and even the Bronx tale these folks on this site serious when it comes to hip hop, and black and Spanish relationships

You right. But nikkas be trolling. It’s common sense. The Bronx is to Hispanics what Brooklyn is to Caribbean Blacks or Harlem to Blacks. Of course Rican’s were included. Gotta stop taking nikkas serious on here. They get on here to act dumb and get under people’s skin.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Mods should close this thread


You fake ass militants are doing entirely too much.

you dumb asses saying he isn’t apart of the culture would get told to fukk off by other rappers and people in the culture who know Joe’s history.

Whole lot of shea butter and fake militants in here . Y’all are killing this website

They really are. Muthafukkas should really get banned for trolling.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Do you know that everyone comes from the africa diaspora?

Ok bro if I’m wrong. From your studies who started it based on your studies?

Deflection

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Nikka you retarded and you arguing with yourself. First you said there were no Puerto Rican’s in the early hip hop scene WHICH IS AN ASININE STATEMENT now you in an argument with yourself about which year in the 70s they came in at.

dude, how many times does it need to be stated that ricans came in the late 1970s not the early 1970s when hiphop was first born?

You dumb. Not only is The Bronx the most heavily Hispanic borough, you can just Google you stupid muthafukka.

you dumbass, those hispanics and the black population lived in the same hood but didn't actually associate with each other

There’s tons of pics with Hispanics in photos from the 70s. Afrika Bambatta and Kool Herc had Rican’s in their crew. DJ Disco Wiz was Hispanic.

there was no large groups of hispanics associated with zulu nation until they incorporated Rock Steady Crew in the early 1980s

The Mighty Zulu Kingz was established in 1973. They were to be the official bboy crew for the Zulu Nation. This concept came about due to the fact that the five brothers, who helped Afrika Bambaataa organize The Zulu Nation, WERE ALL BBOYS! They were known as the Zulu Kings. The “FOUNDING 5″ of Zulu Kings helped Afrika Bambaataa start a small movement in his tenement housing projects called “The Bronx River Organization”, which in time was changed to “The Organization”, and eventually renamed to “Zulu Nation”, which is the name the organization still uses today. The “FOUNDING 5″ members of Zulu Kings are: AMAD HENDERSON, AZIZ JACKSON, SHAKA REED, KUSA STOKES, and ZAMBU LANER. Amad Henderson still helps lead the Zulu Nation global organization, now refer to as “Universal Zulu Nation”. He is still a huge influence on MZK, and how the group operates today. Also, he is 1 of 2 consultants to Alien Ness, who is the current President of MZK.

As time went on, Zulu Kings became bigger with a household name for the BBoy dance style that was known by many terms; “Boi-yoing”, “Breaking”, “Go Off”, “BBoying”, or “Breakdancing” (media term). Eleven members of Zulu Kings made this possible; they were known as the “FIRST 11″. In 1975, they help create the B-Boy boom in the Bronx. The streets were buzzing about the new dance form that the Zulu Kings were doing. They were a force to be reckoned with in an era of social parties known in the streets as “Jams”. The “FIRST 11″ Zulu Kings are: BEAVER, ROBBIE ROB, CHOLLY ROCK, SWANE, POW WOW, MARCUS, JAZZY JAY, SUNDANCE, LITTLE KEITH, AFRIKA ISLAM, and G.L.O.B.E. Out of the “FIRST 11″, Beaver was the most well-known member, and became the first BBoy to get the Ghetto Celebrity status. Many of the original moves that create the blueprint for the BBoy dance style started with these 11 members, including SPORADIC FOOTWORK STYLE, HEAD SPINS, BACK SPINS, CHAIR FREEZE, BABY FREEZE, BASIC TOP ROCK STYLES, and the ever so popular and most imitated, AROUND THE WORLD SPINS & ZULU SPINS.

As the years went by, all the original Zulu Kings started to fade. Afrika Islam started to DJ, as well as Jazzy Jay. Pow Wow, G.L.O.B.E., and Biggs became The Soul Sonic Force. Sundance and Trouble maintained Chapter 2 of the Zulu Nation, and of course BBoy was getting “PLAYED OUT” by 1979.

In 1981, Zulu Kings have a new life in the form of “Rock Steady Crew” (the third generation of Zulu Kings, or “Generation 3″ as MZK refers to them). This came about in the winter of 1981, when leading members of the infamous “Rock Steady Crew” asked Afrika Bambaataa if they could be members of Zulu Kings. Afrika Bambaataa granted them their wish, and sweetened the pot by allowing all members of Rock Steady Crew to represent Zulu Kings. Many older pictures of Rock Steady Crew show them wearing sweat suits with the words “ROCK STEADY ZULU KINGS”. RSC were part of the first Hip Hop Tour with Afrika Bambaataa, and were given the honor of carrying the tradition of Zulu Kings as a bboy squad, but this time “Boogie Boys” were included. This generation was short lived, and by the mid 1990’s only 4 people were honorably representing Zulu Kings. Those dancers were Frosty Freeze (R.I.P.), Pop Master Fabel, Mr. Wiggles, and the newly added member Alien Ness, who eventually went on to be the President of MZK. Pop Master Fabel is the second consultant to Alien Ness, and is referred to as “GodFather” to the 4th generation of MZK.

herc had no ricans in his crew

disco wiz is between 1975-1977, not the beginning of hiphp

Look at these pictures dumbass

hip hop 1970s - Google Search

most of those pictures aren't from the 1970s

I’m not arguing this nonsense anymore. You obviously a little kid, not from the East Coast or you trolling ass loser. Either way I don’t got the time for your nonsense. We need to have downvote option in here because y’all be saying stupid ass sh*t, incorrect ass sh*t and just trolling for daps. I wish y’all nikkas could get banned. You add nothing to the convo when you blatantly trolling and being stupid

Stop quoting me

get your facts straight, you're not ready for the ether

 

[Gains]

Yes

you a weabo , no place for you to talk

 

[TXTrill1]

No, he's not a vulture but it doesn't matter how long he's been down with the hip-hop culture it doesn't give him the right to go around slinging the N-word with the hard er out his mouth in songs, etc.

That's where ppl like the OP miss the point of why ppl feel the way they do of Fat Joe. It's understandable. PR's being down with hip-hop since the late 70s doesn't mean they're allowed to go around recklessly using the N-word with hard er and expect ppl to be cool with it.

There are boundaries and Fat Joe crosses the line too many times in that regard. If he didn't have a history of that nobody would be coming at his neck.

When did he say the N word with the Hard eR?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You right. But nikkas be trolling. It’s common sense. The Bronx is to Hispanics what Brooklyn is to Caribbean Blacks or Harlem to Blacks. Of course Rican’s were included. Gotta stop taking nikkas serious on here. They get on here to act dumb and get under people’s skin.

back in those days Afram musical culture dominated all urban spaces in those boroughs and was the well, that all these groups pulled from/or tried to be apart of

doowop
rock N roll
jazz
soul
funk
disco
hiphop

..........every one of these scenes, Aframs invited latins into; the latins didn't just come in uninvited simply by way of living in the same hoods

 

[CodeKansas]

In before this shyt hits the bushes.

 

[Art Barr]

A lot of these young cats learn these buzz words like "culture vulture" and go around applying it to things they don't know nothing about.

On the real.
Alluvdis.

The word is culture thief.

Dame dash parrotted my verbiage.
Allegedly being a former investor to this former community.
Then narcissistically deflected from blame.
While stealing my verbiage and braintrust.


There is no such thing as a culture vulture.
It is culture thief.
Culture vulture is some misappropriation styled bullshyt biter screw job of the word culture thief.
Coined by an actual culture thief. Trying to be a pot. pointing at the kettle being burned.

fukk dame dash and every culture thief of any kind.

If you not skilled in your pillar yousa culture thief.

Period.



I don't give a fukk whom or who you are.

If you say you rap. You better be a real fully actualized skilled emcee.
If you dj. You better really be able to blend vinyl, with a flare and crab scratch.
Backed by a mean beat juggle set.

If not yousa fukk'n toy.

Fat joe if i ask him does he write will say yes.

Yet i bet he would not let nobody do a ghost piece for him.
So same applies to being an emcee.

If you allowed to go to another pillar in legacy by a skill pedigree.
You still honor the new school way of thought to the culture.

With fat joe he is ol school way of thoughy legacy bboy performer.

He not an mc or nuffin just some one blessed to rock from the era he hailed in.

That is how fat joe gains sway culturally selling out, biting and being ghost written.

He released records in a new school way of thought complete changing of the guard.. Sonically then later when nas set the technical rubrick as well.
So.since he is a late legacy ol school way of thought bboy turned blesssed by pedigreed bboys and artists.
He has gained draw and sway appealing that lane.

Plus administratively.


As far as toys.

Fat joe is a ol.school legscy hold over writer and bboy. Who was given sway from pedigree from ditc. During a complete cultural dominated era. Where fat joe coincidentally was released and is still an actual drawing indie artist.



Art Barr

If you not a bboy not writer not a dj.
You sure as hell not an emcee.
Who are you to challenge fat joe's sway culture wise.

Duke was there and bombed and pieced't.

Where the fukk was y'all at tho to critique.

This idea nobody nondrawing nonskilled fans be having all this unactualized criticism of real bboys need to stop.

Rap is a impoverished pillar skill based cultural bboy bgirl business based form of expression.
Which has been misappropriated.

Yet if you have not appropriately left the house to show and prove.
Plus yousa toy too tho.

Does us a favor.

Stfu.



Art Barr

Fa you goofies ass toys out there reading my tag placement.
Wondering why.

That is why yousa homebodies nondrawing sheltered fukk'n toy.

 

[Supa]

I know it burns yall souls but Ricans, Dominicans, and Cubans been in hip hop since the start breh. Hip Hop started in the Bronx and that’s PR Central See how old this Fat Boys video is. That’s how long Hispanics been involved with rap.

They didn't start a damn thing. Black folks did. Hispanics were in proximity so they eventually crept in but do not use the word start because that implies they were involved in the creation. Hip Hop is black culture. From rock, jazz, blues, soul, to hip hop it's all black. Hispanics created what? They don't have the creativity nor the influence.

If Hispanics were there from jump than why are 99% of the pioneering MC's and DJ's black? You only have a handful of Hispanic rappers that made any noise and they came much later. They got into breaking when we were moving away from it. Graf was always diverse with Hispanic and white artists but anything music related was black.

I'm from NY and was in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood and I was ahead of them on hip hop. They were catching up because most of the nuanced elements weren't in their home. James Brown was a major influence on the sound and their parents weren't listening to him. Things like call and response and improvisation which were present in the black church, soul, and jazz trickled down to how MC's and DJ's performed. We moved away from breaking because the music evolved from break beats so we had the wop, the Mike Tyson, and other new dances that were popping up every week. What are black kids doing today, creating new dances. See the pattern.

I'm not calling them vultures but just don't start that "we were there from jump" talk low key trying to take ownership of what doesn't belong to you. If Hispanics created hip hop make another hip hop. Show me Hispanic kids creating dances the whole world does. They made Reggaeton which literally tells you who they took it from right in the name

Edit:

And that Fat Boys video is from 84-85. Rapper's Delight was 79. Herc did his first party in 73. Ricans came later.

 

[Sbp]

Being involved in hip-hop for a long time does not give a non black a pass to say the n word or disrespect black people. Since he's been around us for so long he should understand just how damaging and dangerous shyt like that is.

 

[Ozymandeas]

They didn't start a damn thing. Black folks did. Hispanics were in proximity so they eventually crept in but do not use the word start because that implies they were involved in the creation. Hip Hop is black culture. From rock, jazz, blues, soul, to hip hop it's all black. Hispanics created what? They don't have the creativity nor the influence.

If Hispanics were there from jump than why are 99% of the pioneering MC's and DJ's black? You only have a handful of Hispanic rappers that made any noise and they came much later. They got into breaking when we were moving away from it. Graf was always diverse with Hispanic and white artists but anything music related was black.

I'm from NY and was in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood and I was ahead of them on hip hop. They were catching up because most of the nuanced elements weren't in their home. James Brown was a major influence on the sound and their parents weren't listening to him. Things like call and response and improvisation which were present in the black church, soul, and jazz trickled down to how MC's and DJ's performed. We moved away from breaking because the music evolved from break beats so we had the wop, the Mike Tyson, and other new dances that were popping up every week. What are black kids doing today, creating new dances. See the pattern.

I'm not calling them vultures but just don't start that "we were there from jump" talk low key trying to take ownership of what doesn't belong to you. If Hispanics created hip hop make another hip hop. Show me Hispanic kids creating dances the whole does. They made Reggaeton which literally tells you who they took it from right in the name

Edit:

And that Fat Boys video if from 84-85. Rapper's Delight was 79. Herc did his first party in 73. Ricans came later.

You wrote a bunch of nothing.

Obviously Krush Grove came out in 1985. We all watched it genius.

DJ Disco Wiz was Latin. 1970s DJ. Now what?

It don’t matter if 95% of hip hop was black. If 5% was Latin, then they were there dummy. Do you not understand what the word none means? If you say there were no Hispanics in hip hop or that they weren’t there since the beginning but we can clearly see tons of Hispanics then y’all don’t know what the fukk the word none means.

I’m not arguing with y’all dummies. You from Poughskeepie. You not from no fukking New York City saying Hispanics weren’t involved in hip hop and you probably 21 years old. I wrote multiple papers on hip hop. Did hours of research. Every reputable source gives credit to both ethnic groups. Y’all fake ass militants rewriting history.

Blocked for being dumb.

 

[Ozymandeas]

There’s a reason hip hop started in New York City and not traditionally black cities like Atlanta, Memphis or Detroit. NYC has 9 million people, is the largest media capital and you have people from all over the world living there. Blacks from Africa, the Caribbean, ADOS blacks and Blacks from Europe. Plus Latins/Hispanics. All those people coming together influenced the sound.

Fake militant nikkas are the worst. You go in any other thread on the Coli and it’s ADOS this, ADOS that…..Jamaicans, Black Brits and Africans aren’t like us yada yada yada. Now all of sudden the same militants want to 1) exclude Hispanics from rap even though they were present and then 2) claim hip hop as theirs solely like a large share of the early rappers and dj’s weren’t the same Black immigrants y’all can’t stand in any other context.

Y’all full of sh*t.