I'm Sorry But Fat Joe is not a Culture Vulture, AT ALL!

[IllmaticDelta]

Hip Hop is a Black and Spanish thing.

The 5 elements were created by Blacks and Spanish.

The only true facts about ricans in hiphop's history is:

1. They were the first non-blacks to be invited into the culture
2. they carried on the bboy dance in to the 1980s after most ADOS from the 1st generation of breakers stopped

......the rest of what yall think is true is nothing more than duktales

 

[RedBull]

The only true fats about ricans in hiphop's history is:

1. They were the first non-blacks to be invited into the culture
2. they carried on the bboy dance in to the 1980s after most ADOS from the 1st generation of breakers stopped

......the rest of what yall think is true is nothing more than duktales

I was there. You?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I was there. You?

If you was there you should be aware of these facts straight from the ogs

another jewel dropped from Rock Steady Crew pioneer:

mr wiggles basically admits that ricans were like 2nd and 3rd generation bboys




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modern/hiphop style graf was pioneered in mid1960s Philly by Afram teens and a black Philadelphian by the name of topcat 126, later moved to NYC and kicked off the whole modern scene

GROUND WORK 1966-71

The history of the underground art movement known by many names, most commonly termed graffiti begins in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania during the mid to late '60s and is rooted in bombing. The writers who are credited with the first conscious bombing effort are CORNBREAD and COOL EARL. They wrote their names all over the city gaining attention from the community and local press. It is unclear whether this concept made its way to New York City via deliberate efforts or if was a spontaneous occurrence.

The competitive atmosphere led to the development of actual styles, which would depart from the tag styled pieces. Broadway style was introduced by Philadelphia's TOPCAT 126. These letters would evolve in to block letters, leaning letters, and blockbusters. PHASE 2 later developed Softie letters, more commonly referred to as Bubble letters. Bubble letters and Broadway style were the earliest forms of actual pieces and therefore the foundation of many styles. Soon arrows, curls, connections and twists adorned letters. These additions became increasing complex and would become the basis for Mechanical or Wild style lettering.

About New York City Graffiti @149st

The first real typographic trend in graffiti is introduced by TOPCAT 126, a Philadelphia writer who had moved to Harlem. The introduction of his ‘Broadway Elegant’, also known as Manhattan Style, marks the first typographic wave within New York City graffiti history. Broadway Elegant featured long slender letters, which often had platforms on the bottoms of the stems. Broadway Elegant was named after the famous New York City Broadway boulevard which bends from Brooklyn through Manhattan al the way up to Yonkers.

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Typograffiti - 1: The Birth of Style - Street Art Today

as shown above, black writers in NYC like Phase 2 and Superkool 223 took the philly style to new heights

Lee 163 was also black (the cousin of phase 2)

too easy

 

[RedBull]

If you was there you should be aware of these facts straight from the og's

another jewel dropped from Rock Steady Crew pioneer:

mr wiggles basically admits that ricans were like 2nd and 3rd generation bboys




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modern/hiphop style graf was pioneered in mid1960s Philly by Afram teens and a black Philadelphian by the name of topcat 126, later moved to NYC and kicked off the whole modern scene



About New York City Graffiti @149st



Typograffiti - 1: The Birth of Style - Street Art Today

as shown above, black writers in NYC like Phase 2 and Superkool 223 took the philly style to new heights

Lee 163 was also black (the cousin of phase 2)

too easy

Dope post




*Saves for future debates.

 

[Dzali OG]

Transhumanism is at least 75 years away. Meanwhile your people here in the present have to deal with vulture capitalism facilitated by white supremacy.

Correction...75 years away for commoners who still stuck in 20th Century politics.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Dope post




*Saves for future debates.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

If you was there you should be aware of these facts straight from the og's

another jewel dropped from Rock Steady Crew pioneer:

mr wiggles basically admits that ricans were like 2nd and 3rd generation bboys




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modern/hiphop style graf was pioneered in mid1960s Philly by Afram teens and a black Philadelphian by the name of topcat 126, later moved to NYC and kicked off the whole modern scene



About New York City Graffiti @149st



Typograffiti - 1: The Birth of Style - Street Art Today

as shown above, black writers in NYC like Phase 2 and Superkool 223 took the philly style to new heights

Lee 163 was also black (the cousin of phase 2)

too easy

This is some great historical content you postin.
Should have its own thread. Anyone who is a fan of Hiphop will find this interesting

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This is some great historical content you postin.
Should have its own thread. Anyone who is a fan of Hiphop will find this interesting

yes sir

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You dumbass, did you take notice of the dates? HipHop has been around since about 71, Ricans came in more towards 1977-81, that mean Ricans were not there at the start. Step up your reading comprehension






puerto ricans were in the same hoods but they weren't in/around hiphop until the later 1970s because the 2 populations of the specific age group were rivals, enemies and simply didn't associate with one another. here is abby and trac2 talking about the negative energy that existed between blacks and latins (ricans) and that the two groups used to rumble against each other. It wasn't until they had a meeting with zulu nation that, that enegry died off and the two groups came together (this is late 1970s)

A bit off topic, but Ricans have been coming to NY well before 1970s bro, simple research will tell you that.

Historical Puerto Rican population in New York City
Year Pop. ±%

1920 7,364 +1229.2%
1940 61,463 +734.6%
1950 187,420 +204.9%
1960 612,574 +226.8%
1970 817,712 +33.5%
1980 860,552 +5.2%
1990 896,763 +4.2%
2000 789,172 −12.0%
2010 723,621 −8.3%
2012 730,848 +1.0%

more context to how the rican and black populations were largely isolated from one another even while being in the same hood

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remember, italians used to hunt down/chase both blacks and latinos (ricans) and at the same time, black and latins used to rumble against each other and had established boundaries that kept them largely, apart

The relative isolation that Ricans had from blacks is why large masses of them weren't around HipHop in its early stages





the mythical portrayal of blacks and puerto ricans in early Hiphop is actually a product of the early 1980s when those two groups really was close(r)

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Interesting video I saw a few years ago but couldn't find until recently from 1973, shows a group of Puerto Rican gang members listening/dancing to Funk music (first song is classic hiphop break) but none are doing any "going off" or "bboying"


first song they're listening to is Melting Pot




@ 15:20 I hear James Brown playing

@ 18:18 they're playing salsa

 

[IllmaticDelta]

...another nugget to add to the discourse of/on when Ricans came into HipHop

the reason we know Ricans came late to BBoying is because the dude all these Ricans name drop as their biggest influence was more like 2nd generation even within the black bboys. He was a Zulu King (baby black spade) who came after the real 1st generation bboys like the Nikka Twins and others that ran with Herc or the founding bboys of the Zulu Kings

His name is beaver

2010 video from mr wiggles on him





2011 board post asking about Beaver

I'd really like to know what has happened to the legendary B-Boy Beaver from the Mighty Zulu Kings! In the movie "The Freshest Kids" Mr.Wiggles states :" You couldn't find any bigger name in B-Boying than Beaver, period!!! " From what I understand he was the first true King of B-Boying in the Mid 1970ies, even before Spy ( The Crazy Commanders )got in the game. Like 2 months ago I contacted a legendary bboy via MySpace and asked him a couple of questions on B-Boy History. I was so happy and surprised when he gave me his phone number and allowed me to have 3 extremely informative conversations with him.( Much blessings ) He told me about the special rank that the Mighty Zulu Kings hold in Hiphop History and also confirmed that Beaver was the first king of this dance. So now I am wondering what has happened to him. Is he still alive? Does anybody in this forum know what he is doing nowadays and wether there is a chance to contact him? Yo Ness, you know I got nothing but the deepest respect for you and your exalted crew...do you have any information on what Beaver is doing nowadays???? To me it's sad somehow that all these great B-Boys from the 70ies are being generally overlooked and each and everybody focuses only on RSC. Don't get me wrong I got mad love for RSC but I feel that people like Beaver, Robbie Rob,Vinnie, Bos, Trac 2, Batch, Abbey,Shorty, Spy, Lil Carlos etc. should definetely get more recognition from the worldwide Hiphop Community. Like KRS-One said in his book "Ruminations" it is definetely time that somebody steps up and preserves the true History of all the Hiphop Elements because otherwise there will soon be a day when the mass media and the entertainment industry tells us what our true history is and to which rules we should stick to. I'm sure that the above mentioned pioneers could still enlighten us all with their enormous wisdom and insight on the dance called B-Boying because back in their era the B-Boys actually lived this shyt to the fullest, back before it was all about artificial tournaments and acting like deaf retards with helmets on. So, pleaaaaaaaaaasee let us know what's up with Beaver!!!

WHERE IS BEAVER .. ORIGINAL BBOY FROM THE 1970'S

2017 video below





^^cholly rock, closer to 2nd generation talks about him above

actual Beaver interview from 2018 where he flat out says Ricans started coming more into Bboying by the early 80's right when he retired.

Beaver (The Little Zulu Kings)

NORIN RAD:"Oh, okay! But I have heard that you and a guy called Peanut once looked for a Puerto Rican B-Boy called Vinnie from the Sal Soul Crew at a swimming pool on Crotona Avenue back in 1975 and that you were defeated by him."

BEAVER:"That's been made up! I have never been defeated and I don't know who Vinnie is or who Peanut is and I have never danced against anybody by those names and again... most of those guys came in after...way after I stopped B-Boying in 1980. What I see in that is a lot of people want street credit. They feel if they mention my name and say they defeated me or taught me or what have you..they think that people will respect them and give them that credit that they think they deserve."

Castles In The Sky

another OG Rican bboy telling the truth about breakdancing's origins

JOJO:"It started when I was very young. My mother and my father got married and my father went to job corps. He became a welder and he came back to get his family which we were little kids at the time and he took us up to Boston, Massachusetts. We had a house and we lived there for about a year and then he died in a car accident. So my moms couldn't afford to keep the house so we had to move back to New York City. So when we moved back to New York City we really was out of a place. You know, we needed a place fast, we didn't know where.....and there was this Black lady....her name was Miss Vern Tucker.....she was a good friend of my grandmother for years and she offered to take us in and we lived with her for a few years until we got back on our feet and she became my grandmother. So her family had parties and I can truly say that my flavour and my dance spirit and all that came from being at these house parties that they used to throw and we were a part of it.We were there at these parties that they used to throw at Christmas, Thanksgiving......we were also there at their birthday parties. And slowly but surely Miss Vern Tucker became my grandma, you know what I'm saying? And her family became my cousins and that's where my flavour came from when I lived in Manhattan. I used to just dance, I used to just do steps on top and they'd be like, "Go, Jojo! Go, Jojo!!" and actually she is the one that came up with the name Jojo. So that's where that came from. So finally we found a place in the Bronx and we moved up to the Bronx and that's where it all started for me. I lived there from 1970 till 1984. So while I lived there, there was a kid that lived in my building on Grand Avenue, his name was Mark. Black kid, he lived upstairs and I lived on the first floor. So one day I was at a jam... a DJ Whitehead jam (DJ of The Triple A Crew) at 82 Park...so I'm just chilling, hanging out and all of a sudden I see Mark and Mark is Breaking!!! And that was the first time I seen somebody do footwork, so I was like, "Holy crap!" You know, he was pretty good and I just looked at it and I went and I approached him. I said, "That's kinda nice! I like that!" And he's like, "Do you get down?" 'Cause that's what we called it back then.....we called it getting down. He said, "Do you get down?" I said, "Yeah, I get down!" He said, "Can you show me?" So I did some stuff that I just knew but he said, "That's not getting down! This is getting down!!" and so he went down and did these moves. I was flabbergasted when I first seen it, I was like, "Wow! I'm gonna really learn that!" So I went home and I practiced so the next time he would see me I actually had my footwork already. It was something for me to catch it and I caught it quick and it went from there. I just kept on practicing and practicing Then I started noticing more B-Boys and witnessing more circles and that's when I was in Public School 26 on Burnside Avenue. After I left there I wasn't really dancing like in a crew or nothing like that. Then I moved to JHS 115 in the Bronx and that's when I really started exhibiting my style of dancing and all that because I got actually kinda good at it and then I used to come out at lunch time and there was always some B-Boys breaking. Like a circle and people would come out for lunch and watch and then everybody would go back in. So I ate B-Boys for lunch and that's how I met Aby (The Bronx Boys). You know, he used to come around and he always used to have somebody with him and there was always somebody dancing.

SIR NORIN RAD:"That's very interesting! You were featured in that documentary "The Freshest Kids" and you stated there something to the effect that you were actually already B-Boying when there were hardly any Puerto Ricans around doing that dance...."

JOJO:"That's exactly what I'm meaning. What I'm telling you now that's what I meant when I said that. We were the only Puerto Ricans that got busy. Now DJ Kool Tee and DJ Mr. Lee (early DJs from the West Bronx) used to give us our respect and say, "Check out the Puerto Rican B-Boys in the house! B-Boy Spiderman and B-Boy Spiderweb!" And we got busy and that was way back. Back then there were a lot of Zulu B-Boys around. They sorta ran it back then. As for the Puerto Rican B-Boys we were just up and coming. You know, we were people who wanted to learn it and got good at it 'cause, you know, they say Puerto Ricans actually put B-Boys on their back. We're the ones that started the backspinning and all these kind of moves. As far as the footwork and the flip turns that they did....that came from the Black B-Boys."

Castles In The Sky: Interview with B-Boy Jojo (The Rock Steady Crew)



^^he's an early founder of the first lineup of the Rock Steady Crew

 

[IllmaticDelta]

"There were no spansh/puerto rican bboys in the early 1970s



@ 10:10 "spanish brothers were not at the parties, they stuck to themselves/their own culture....you had to be cool with one of them to actually hangout with them (as a black person:he's Carolinian) and since I looked Spanish (to them), they accepted me/allowed me to blend in"


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"zulu kings studied us and became good; bboy named beaver was the one who taught/influenced the puerto ricans into bboying"

 

[Positive Posting]

"There were no spansh/puerto rican bboys in the early 1970s



@ 10:10 "spanish brothers were not at the parties, they stuck to themselves/their own culture....you had to be cool with one of them to actually hangout with them (as a black person:he's Carolinian) and since I looked Spanish (to them), they accepted me/allowed me to blend in"


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"zulu kings studied us and became good; bboy named beaver was the one who taught/influenced the puerto ricans into bboying"

Does our bro fat joe know this?

 

[315]

Bottom 100,000 rapper has the strangest hold on nikkas

 

[Kool]

fukk Fat Joe.