I'm Sorry But Fat Joe is not a Culture Vulture, AT ALL!

[Antwon Mitchell]

@Crooklyn Dodger

So you're not going to answer with your own words on what those two paragraphs mean and feel to you? Unless you're gonna tell me then I think it's safe to say I know where you stand also and the convo is over. Very likely you're not Black yourself (probably Rican or whatever) which means that you have no respect for Black Ppl or our requests and it's simply “do as you want” which is another reason why “Black and Brown” is nothing more than hyperbole/a myth.

 

[kingofnyc]

don’t forget he was there right along with the birth of hip hop

these dweebs on here lame as fukk

dude is 50 years old - and personally knew the father of the da culture before he even put out his 1st song

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@TROLLing & @Ghost Utmost I'm going to need you both to tell me what these two paragraphs mean and feel to you both. This is what will let me know whether this conversation continues or not...

I already answered this

Generally I agree but a blanket statement can't cover every scenario

Fat Joe is a shade of grey

You are an absolutist who doesn't allow for nuance.

I am not worried about Fat Joe being a secret agent or an enemy to Black people. He seems to be an insider who has paid dues with real cats for decades now.

Your black and white generalizations are not any kind of law for me to adhere to.

 

[Wild self]

There are no perks.

I was raised by Black folk who were against used of the n-word by ANYONE. It was/is considered a term of extreme degradation for folks attempting to build families and communities
in the face of struggle.

The younger generations post-Public Enemy, raised by nikkaz Wit Attitude, Death Row, Murder Inc, Bad Boy, Cash Money, et al, have been harmfully conditioned to to use the n-word as a form of exclusive racial currency. It is probably why they should be referred to as "Generation nikka" instead of "Black," "African American or "ADOS."

From more sane generations previously, harsh language was policed. You are probably too young to recall when Black-owned, number one NYC radio station WBLS, essentially pulled rap records off the air due to language and subject matter. That really set the stage for white-owned/white-managed Hot 97 to change its dance format to "Hip Hop" - ready to play the "dangerous" music that the Black-owned station refused to.

Just scour history to see how much use of the n-word you'll find in Black Media prior to the 1990s.

WBLS-FM to Stop Playing Violent Songs
By Steven Lee Myers
Dec. 5, 1993

A popular radio station in New York City, WBLS-FM, plans to stop playing songs with lyrics advocating violence or expressing hatred of women in a new policy aimed particularly at the hard-core forms of rap music that have stirred criticism from some black leaders in recent years.

The station's owner, Inner City Broadcasting Corporation, which also operates a talk-radio station, WLIB-AM, will begin screening the lyrics of all the songs it plays, a spokesman, Joseph J. Carella, said yesterday.

"The station intends not to play certain lyrics that are violent, appear to be violent or are misogynist in nature," he said.

The decision comes amid an escalating uproar over hard-core rap lyrics in recent years. A handful of other stations around the country have moved to impose a degree of self-censorship, refusing to play some songs or playing edited versions. Dinkins Supports Move

The decision by WBLS, at 107.5 FM, has additional significance because the station was one of the pioneers in developing a musical format aimed at black urban residents, where rap has its roots, and is one of the most popular stations in the country's biggest radio market.

Moreover, the station's parent company, Inner City Broadcasting, was founded by some of the city's most influential black leaders, including Percy E. Sutton, a former Manhattan Borough President who is now the company's chairman emeritus, and Mayor David N. Dinkins, who sold his stock to his son.

"I think it's wonderful, and I hope others will follow their example," Mr. Dinkins said yesterday after speaking before the Council of Supervisors and Administrations in Manhattan

WBLS-FM to Stop Playing Violent Songs (Published 1993)

More People need to read this.

A lot of dudes gotten caught up in the superficial degrading shyt that aint part of the culture, including the excess use of the N-word by blacks and non-blacks. Public Enemy were prophets when people abandoned their pro black paradigm of respect and enlightenment and aligned with the superthug/super street shyt. It bit black people hard in the ass decades later, with non blacks wanting to engage in black dysfunction.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

Nas is a Black Man. There's a different level of sentiments coming from him. We knew Nas's real intention of why he wanted to use the word. Fat Joe isn't Black and doesn't have the right to force Black Ppl to accept him using the word.

It's not a hard concept (been explained) why we're defensive of the word coming out of a non-Black person's mouth due to the history/meaning behind it when it's shouted by them. A non-Black person should know better at this stage to not use it and expect opposition.

Why are y'all non-Black folks so obsessed with wanting to use the word? This goes back to how I've noticed non-Black groups bluntly take advantage and have no respect or regard for Black Ppl's wishes when it pertains to them not to use the N-word out of respect. Then got the nerve to talk “Black & Brown” shyt but can't even respect a Black Person asking you to refrain from using either version of the word.


Y'all say this shyt like I'm supposed to be scared. I am not a coward like you. I'm not afraid of no damn Ricans, Dominicans, etc, etc I'm not like these fools who slobber on the fantasy of some “Black & Brown” shyt.

You don't get a pass from me or the ppl I hang with.

Hit dogs holler....

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

Nah bro, you got it all wrong brody. you coming at the wrong guy. Read all my posts about Fat Joe. I'm giving it up, no trolling shyt.

I actually made this thread to expose the ones who saying he a vulture and open up the discussion to school these people on Fat Joe and hiphop history. They dont know this man is more hiphop than whoever you think is most hiphop. A poster said something earlier like, Fat Joe cant get more hiphop than the nikkaz who originated it. He literally saw hiphop come alive in the late 70s and early 80s in the bronx.

One thing this thread made me realize is that it doesnt matter. If you not from NY/Eastcoast or really know about hiphop culture than you probably gonna call Fat Joe a culture vulture and a white man cuz he light skinned and will have a problem with him saying the word nikka. There's alot of ignorant people out here and this thread exposed them. Some of these people grew up in non diverse areas and dont understand this shyt at all. These young people on social media talking that bullshyt is disgusting. Real ignorant shyt, and whats even worse is they dont wanna hear it. Its sad to be honest.

So Sugar-Hill Gang is more Hip Hop than Fat Joe?

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

Hip-Hop’s Unknown Legends: The Diggin’ in the Crates Crew - Article - Stylus Magazine
Please do your research...

 

[StretfordRed]

No he is not.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

how can you be a vulture
when your Rican, born & raised from da place that birthed the culture

this line of thinking is simply false...how many quotes from the real pioneers do yall need to hear/read understand that Ricans were outsiders to early hiphop or that ricans and blacks (of the generation that would be into gangs->early hiphop) largely didn't associate with one another in large numbers until the 1980s?

 

[Dzali OG]

You’ll be the first of them to die.

Transhumans don't die...

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Mods should close this thread


You fake ass militants are doing entirely too much.

you dumb asses saying he isn’t apart of the culture would get told to fukk off by other rappers and people in the culture who know Joe’s history.

Whole lot of shea butter and fake militants in here . Y’all are killing this website

And then they want to be taken seriously in hip hop discussions....like GTFOH and go do your knowledge on someone who is likely one of the reasons you're even listening to this genre

Then again a lot of these dudes like to cosplay as Black, shyt on Hip Hop, and then go watch some Tucker Carlson later that night

 

[Higher Tech]

He’s definitely not a culture vulture, but he definitely has a sense of entitlement in BLACK culture outside of hip hop. I don’t appreciate that shyt.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

He’s definitely not a culture vulture, but he definitely has a sense of entitlement in BLACK culture outside of hip hop. I don’t appreciate that shyt.

this

 

[Positive Posting]

this

Fat Joe is black man, stop it bro. Just because he Latino don’t he not black. He’s a black Latino.

y’all mad that Joe said bill Cosby could have done something to one of them girls?