I'm sorry bruh. I can't trust class-first marxists, even black ones. This is insane.

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well, I’m not going to justify Marx’s beliefs on race or anything. He’s not a larger than life figure, he is not some infallible philosopher. Like I said, marx received the smack down from stirner that caused him to reconsider his more humanistic ideas, whereafter he turned into the more scientific marx that is known today.

I agree with your point that white leftists tend to downplay the problems of people of color, or downright ignore them. They offer very little in the way of solutions; all I see from these Twitter leftists is rhetoric. They can only champion working class activism because they are myopic and stupid and insulated from any ethnic dilemmas that are very real to us.

ultimately it comes down to a complete misunderstanding of racial dynamics in this country, or just plain cynicism that isn’t unlike a WASP republican.

What really gets me is that self determination is a tenet of socialist thought. The oppressed should have the right to sovereignty, and indeed, some marxists such as Che were heavy proponents of this. But this is all lost to the modern white leftist that would rather argue on Twitter than affect any sort of radical change.
That’s the thing tho. So many of the podcast left was MAD AS SHÏT when the protests happened because black people got out in the streets, not some generic worker revolution. They don’t understand what moves the needle.
 

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they didn't try with europeans, and it wasn't economics. they did try with native americans, but between disease and them knowing the area better, it didn't work - white supremacy and racism was there with NA's, and you can see it in how they were brutally forced off their land.
See the lengths they’re going to avoid conceding anything?

They know this shyt is about race. At this point they keep claiming Bernie can win then denying why most white people vote Republican. They hear you, then they reject you.
 

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they didn't try with europeans, and it wasn't economics. they did try with native americans, but between disease and them knowing the area better, it didn't work - white supremacy and racism was there with NA's, and you can see it in how they were brutally forced off their land.


They did try with Euros similar to how they kept Blacks as defacto slaves after emancipation.

"As explained by historian Edmund Morgan, in colonies like Virginia, the planter elite, with huge land grants, occupied a vastly superior position to workers of all colors. Southern colonies did not hesitate to invent ways to extend the terms of servitude, and the planter class accumulated uncultivated lands to restrict the options of free workers."

They tried with Natives and largely failed. Then they tried again with Africans.

Why do they keep trying again and again? Because they want the cheap labor. Why do they want the cheap labor? For profit. It's economic.

Just like Bacon's Rebellion was an economic multi-racial uprising against the Powers that ran the colony...
 

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They did try with Euros similar to how they kept Blacks as defacto slaves after emancipation.

"As explained by historian Edmund Morgan, in colonies like Virginia, the planter elite, with huge land grants, occupied a vastly superior position to workers of all colors. Southern colonies did not hesitate to invent ways to extend the terms of servitude, and the planter class accumulated uncultivated lands to restrict the options of free workers."

They tried with Natives and largely failed. Then they tried again with Africans.

Why do they keep trying again and again? Because they want the cheap labor. Why do they want the cheap labor? For profit. It's economic.

Just like Bacon's Rebellion was an economic multi-racial uprising against the Powers that ran the colony...
And why do you think it was successful so long with Africans? :sas1:
 

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They found the best alternative. Trust they were treating the indentureds and Indians like shyt too :yeshrug:
The outright denial that chattel slavery began with Africans in America is insane, but I understand it's important for you to make your point.

Similarly, the capitalism argument focuses heavily on large plantations and their production, but most folks only had a slave or two and not using them for money making endeavors, just unpaid free work that they owned no different than a lawn mower.

End of the day, anyone making these arguments is weak and afraid to accept let alone address the horrible human history folks who look like them championed for centuries.

:russell:

Should we also make a bad faith capitalism argument about segregated schools?:noah:
 

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The outright denial that chattel slavery began with Africans in America is insane, but I understand it's important for you to make your point.

Similarly, the capitalism argument focuses heavily on large plantations and their production, but most folks only had a slave or two and not using them for money making endeavors, just unpaid free work that they owned no different than a lawn mower.

End of the day, anyone making these arguments is weak and afraid to accept let alone address the horrible human history folks who look like them championed for centuries.

:russell:

Should we also make a bad faith capitalism argument about segregated schools?:noah:

I stopped right there because i haven't denied it 1 time.

You're arguing against a point I'm not making...

It 100% started with Africans...why? Chasing profits...
 

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I stopped right there because i haven't denied it 1 time.

You're arguing against a point I'm not making...

It 100% started with Africans...why? Chasing profits...
You said chattel slavery didn't exist until there was money to be made?

By whom?

The people selling humans as property because they didn't value them as humans because they were black?

Or the people purchasing slaves?

Your position suggests that slaves were only used to increase productivity and thus increase profits, but we know that slaves were used for a variety of roles having nothing to do with money making nor production.

But more importantly, if this were merely about capitalism they wouldn't have limited their "resource pool" by exclusively operating in the sell and enslavement of blacks... Well unless you prescribe to the notion that the negro was better built for this.:russ:

It's just a dumbass argument. I'd slap anyone who said this shyt to me.
 

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If people couldn't monetize their racism they'd be less racist. :troll:

A socialists society couldn't benefit if 41% of their labor didn't have rights :troll:
 

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Which threads? :patrice:

This thread could have easily been a post in the contarian Anti woke left thread that Nap already has in HL.

He created it here because he knows it would provoke a far Left vs left vs Center argument. He recycles that shyt every few months or so. He didn't post anything newsworthy, that's why I called it rabble rousing.

It was raised with the clear intention of causing a non productive argument.

That's the remit of TLR, no?
 
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