I'm sorry bruh. I can't trust class-first marxists, even black ones. This is insane.

[OfTheCross]

Really…are we going to act like white Europeans didn’t hold themselves as superior to Africans the moment they stepped foot on the continent, long before the salve trade began? Plenty of writings about Africans being savages or uncivilized from jump, before the real exploitation even got started

ETA: slavery may have been capitalistic, but where they got the labor and how they viewed slaves was based on white supremacist thinking. They didn’t treat indentured servant white folks this way at all, even gave them a (rigged) way out, black folks, they rigged your way in - everyone born to a slave woman was a slave

They didn't treat indentured servant black folks this way at all either. Blacks were suing for and getting their freedom in those early years just like whites. So what clicked? I'd say the profit motive tipped things.

Really it wasn't even until the Royal African Company around 1670-ish, and then everyone and their mother got into the Slave Trade for money around 1700. That's when you see a shift. Look at these numbers ...

Estimates

This isn't to excuse any white supremacist thinking. But I'm just saying that the magnitude of the situation was greatly increased by the profit motive.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

They didn't treat indentured servant black folks this way at all either. Blacks were suing for and getting their freedom in those early years just like whites. So what clicked? I'd say the profit motive tipped things.

Really it wasn't even until the Royal African Company around 1670-ish, and then everyone and their mother got into the Slave Trade for money around 1700. That's when you see a shift. Look at these numbers ...

Estimates

This isn't to excuse any white supremacist thinking. But I'm just saying that the magnitude of the situation was greatly increased by the profit motive.

no, the condition of slavery was greatly increased by a deep-seeded identity of superiority. they could have cerated white slavery as well if just worried about money, but chattel slavery was born of white supremacy.

 

[OfTheCross]

no, the condition of slavery was greatly increased by a deep-seeded identity of superiority. they could have cerated white slavery as well if just worried about money, but chattel slavery was born of white supremacy.

White slavery did exist. Slavery, in general, existed pretty much everywhere. The large transactional chattel slavery to the US didn't exist really until there was money to be made.

We went from having 0 shipments to the US in the mid-1600 to over 3000, then over 100k shipments when profit was to be made.

edit: ultimately, I'm not opposed to saying that it all comes down to racism. But profit made a mountain our of a mole hill and exacerbated the situation greatly.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

They didn't treat indentured servant black folks this way at all either. Blacks were suing for and getting their freedom in those early years just like whites. So what clicked? I'd say the profit motive tipped things.

Really it wasn't even until the Royal African Company around 1670-ish, and then everyone and their mother got into the Slave Trade for money around 1700. That's when you see a shift. Look at these numbers ...

Estimates

This isn't to excuse any white supremacist thinking. But I'm just saying that the magnitude of the situation was greatly increased by the profit motive.

Bacon's Rebellion

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

White slavery did exist. Slavery, in general, existed pretty much everywhere. The large transactional chattel slavery to the US didn't exist really until there was money to be made.

We went from having 0 shipments to the US in the mid-1600 to over 3000, then over 100k shipments when profit was to be made.

edit: ultimately, I'm not opposed to saying that it all comes down to racism. But profit made a mountain our of a mole hill and exacerbated the situation greatly.

we are talking about the US - there were plenty of poor white people they could have brought over and forced to work, but racism and white supremacy drove them to use africans. they tried at first with native americans (racism and white supremacy) but they all started dying from small pox and other diseases. the conditions of US slavery were 100% driven by racism, the institution of slavery is a monetary one, but you cannot separate that how it was implemented and how the slaves were treated was not driven by racism. it made monetary sense to treat slaves better and prolong their lives and keep them happy, but clearly that wasn't the case.

 

[jj23]

Rabble rousing.

Sigh.

@FAH1223 why do these topics recycle on HL. I thought TLR was the faux outrage forum?

Eid Mubarak BTW.

 

[Hood Critic]

No group of people have ever hated, enslaved, or killed another group they've considered their equals in the history of humanity.

 

[Gritsngravy]

It seems like Europeans used racism as an excuse to really torture, rape, murder slaves
I guess my question would be what came first racism or slavery

 

[Gritsngravy]

I tend to believe that a lot of history is missing and we don’t really have a good grasp of historic timelines
With that being said, racism isn’t some natural thing that just happens, the terms white and black are modern compared to human history, so in a sense I would agree slavery was a capitalist thing it’s just that to really exploit people u have to dehumanize them to make the average person not care(and the average person back then had no education) and it just so happens that African empires went into the dark ages while this stuff was happening and we got the short end of the stick

 

[FluffyEyes]

no, the condition of slavery was greatly increased by a deep-seeded identity of superiority. they could have cerated white slavery as well if just worried about money, but chattel slavery was born of white supremacy.

Right. Anyone who thinks racism can be removed from the conversation of class in the US is not only dishonest but is likely trying to erase or lessen the impact of white supremacy.

 

[Meta Reign]

Marxists are very stupid for the simple reason that they believe that money is the primary motivation for EVERYTHING nefarious done by any man or institution.

Everything is, "well cuz capitalism" . . . Not realizing that men use markets as a primary means of societal control. The social engineering is the primary motivation, NOT the money. By that logic, it would not matter what sort of economic system is in place. Capitalism genuinely practiced is the least efficient way of social engineering. This is why the power mad Leftists that run our major institutions constantly shyt on it. . . Capitalism frees people. It's that simple.

 

[Meta Reign]

Bill Gates would be a great example. The man is obviously a psychopath. While us normal people would be perfectly content with sitting on billions, buying homes, cars, sexing hot women etc . . . This depraved sociopath, gets his rocks off via genocide.

There's a whole gang with the same mentality btw. . . And you ain't in it.

 

[88m3]

Marxists are very stupid for the simple reason that they believe that money is the primary motivation for EVERYTHING nefarious done by any man or institution.

Everything is, "well cuz capitalism" . . . Not realizing that men use markets as a primary means of societal control. The social engineering is the primary motivation, NOT the money. By that logic, it would not matter what sort of economic system is in place. Capitalism genuinely practiced is the least efficient way of social engineering. This is why the power mad Leftists that run our major institutions constantly shyt on it. . . Capitalism frees people. It's that simple.

Arbeit macht frei, amirite?
https://www.google.com/search?q=wor...FhIkEHQogA6kQ_B16BAhaEAE#imgrc=l_o5hMc6Ea156M

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It seems like Europeans used racism as an excuse to really torture, rape, murder slaves
I guess my question would be what came first racism or slavery

Fam. Dudes like Bartholemy De Las Casas purposely chose Africans vs native Americans to enslave before repenting in his later years for the decision.

 

[OfTheCross]

Bacon's Rebellion

we are talking about the US - there were plenty of poor white people they could have brought over and forced to work, but racism and white supremacy drove them to use africans. they tried at first with native americans (racism and white supremacy) but they all started dying from small pox and other diseases. the conditions of US slavery were 100% driven by racism, the institution of slavery is a monetary one, but you cannot separate that how it was implemented and how the slaves were treated was not driven by racism. it made monetary sense to treat slaves better and prolong their lives and keep them happy, but clearly that wasn't the case.

This bit from The New Jim Crow addresses both Bacon's Rebellion and why they made an economic decision to import Africans.


"Initially, blacks brought to this country were not all enslaved; many were treated as indentured servants. As plantation farming expanded, particularly tobacco and cotton farming, demand increased greatly for both labor and land...

The growing demand for labor on plantations was met through slavery. American Indians were considered unsuitable as slaves, largely because native tribes were clearly in a position to fight back. The fear of raids by Indian tribes led plantation owners to grasp for an alternative source of free labor. European immigrants were also deemed poor candidates for slavery, not because of their race, but rather because they were in short supply and enslavement would, quite naturally, interfere with voluntary immigration to the new colonies. Plantation owners thus viewed Africans, who were relatively powerless, as the ideal slaves. The systematic enslavement of Africans, and the rearing of their children under bondage, emerged with all deliberate speed—quickened by events such as Bacon’s Rebellion.

In an effort to protect their superior status and economic position, the planters shifted their strategy for maintaining dominance. They abandoned their heavy reliance on indentured servants in favor of the importation of more black slaves. Instead of importing English-speaking slaves from the West Indies, who were more likely to be familiar with European language and culture, many more slaves were shipped directly from Africa. These slaves would be far easier to control and far less likely to form alliances with poor whites.

Fearful that such measures might not be sufficient to protect their interests, the planter class took an additional precautionary step, a step that would later come to be known as a “racial bribe.” Deliberately and strategically, the planter class extended special privileges to poor whites in an effort to drive a wedge between them and black slaves."

It was also an economic and power dynamic decision to divide the public racially.