I’m glad they got Zack Snyder the fukk up outta here

[Killigraphy]

He and George Miller, are still the god's of action films, there's no denying that....he just needs a co-director/producer to help him out with zeroing in a proper vision. I love Man of Steel, its not the same boring Superman who saves the day because he's Dudley-do-right. He's flawed, wrong(at times), and forced to mete out punishment. He's the superman people wanted for a while now. They finally get it, and complain that he's not "bright" enough. People are sheep.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

He and George Miller, are still the god's of action films, there's no denying that....he just needs a co-director/producer to help him out with zeroing in a proper vision. I love Man of Steel, its not the same boring Superman who saves the day because he's Dudley-do-right. He's flawed, wrong(at times), and forced to mete out punishment. He's the superman people wanted for a while now. They finally get it, and complain that he's not "bright" enough. People are sheep.

Nope you are flat out wrong, people wanted a more action packed Superman movie but not at the detriment of the character.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

If you gonna say make a Superman movie.....

But instead of from Krypton..... he’s Clark from Omaha and he got his power from an nuclear incident.

And later becomes a freelance camera man from a news station and fights crime in Chicago.

If you want to go that route...... well good luck, but you better knock that shyt out the park, cuz if not.

What was the purpose of that?

Why couldn’t you just made a fukking Superman movie?

And if you really didn’t want to make a Superman movie and wanted to go with “your vision” why didn’t you just create a random new here ala Chronicle or Hancock?

Martha

 

[Killigraphy]

Nope you are flat out wrong, people wanted a more action packed Superman movie but not at the detriment of the character.

The best selling Superman comic(s) are All Star Superman and Death of Superman....with reason. People don't want the same Superman who's sunshine and Rainbows. Frank Miller talks about how he was panned for The Dark Knight Returns at first, because people didn't want Superman to be defeated by Batman, then eventually the sheeple liked it. We always get action (excluding Superman Returns), we seldom get a Superman with depth. Snyder delivered on that front, but the producers ruined the real version of the film.

 

[Killigraphy]

If you gonna say make a Superman movie.....

But instead of from Krypton..... he’s Clark from Omaha and he got his power from an nuclear incident.

And later becomes a freelance camera man from a news station and fights crime in Chicago.

If you want to go that route...... well good luck, but you better knock that shyt out the park, cuz if not.

What was the purpose of that?

Why couldn’t you just made a fukking Superman movie?

And if you really didn’t want to make a Superman movie and wanted to go with “your vision” why didn’t you just create a random new here ala Chronicle or Hancock?

Martha

Hancock and Chronicle while fun, both sucked at the box office. Most people want something they're familiar with. Going even a bit avant garde can ruin a beautiful idea. Kubrick was always panned first, before people eventually caught on that he's a genius.

 

[MartyMcFly]

It is not canon to the main universe, it is as canon as any other elseworld series. Also the issue isn’t that Snyder was going to introduce her at least with me. It’s the fact he was going to introduce her without introducing any other Robins prior to her. Snyder was foolish and wanted to take big events from comic stories and throw them in the blend because they was “cool”. He didn’t want to earn the developments and just made things happen, look at Marvel and even to a lesser degree Fox and old man Logan.

I think you can do Carrie without showing dikk or Jason first if you have a compelling backstory and reason why. Introducing an older Batman gives you that license to do so.

And for me as long as its a lauded book that so many writers and directors have pulled from its fair game. Batman and dark knight rises both pulled from it.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

The best selling Superman comic(s) are All Star Superman and Death of Superman....with reason. People don't want the same Superman who's sunshine and Rainbows. Frank Miller talks about how he was panned for The Dark Knight Returns at first, because people didn't want Superman to be defeated by Batman, then eventually the sheeple liked it. We always get action (excluding Superman Returns), we seldom get a Superman with depth. Snyder delivered on that front, but the producers ruined the real version of the film.

All Star Superman is still essentially Superman in everyway, as is Superman in the death of Superman. The so called “dept” you are talking about left the character unrecognisable to some. I mean what idiot has Superman kill in his first movie? This would have been a great dilemma in later films and would have resounded with audiences seeing a Superman that sticks to his ideals yet having to make this huge decision for the greater good. You could have something akin to whatever happened to the man of tomorrow if you want a Superman with drama.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

I think you can do Carrie without showing dikk or Jason first if you have a compelling backstory and reason why. Introducing an older Batman gives you that license to do so.

And for me as long as its a lauded book that so many writers and directors have pulled from its fair game. Batman and dark knight rises both pulled from it.

Again you are missing a whole part of a legacy by doing that, it’s like introducing Terry as Batman without ever showing Bruce and saying well derp derp it’s still Batman or his my favourite so it’s all good. And again I will repeat it isn’t canon despite your personal bias towards the story and yes it has been emulated to a degree on some occasions because it is critically acclaimed doesn’t mean its canon.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Hancock and Chronicle while fun, both sucked at the box office. Most people want something they're familiar with. Going even a bit avant garde can ruin a beautiful idea. Kubrick was always panned first, before people eventually caught on that he's a genius.

Exactly case in point what we are talking about.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Again you are missing a whole part of a legacy by doing that, it’s like introducing Terry as Batman without ever showing Bruce and saying well derp derp it’s still Batman or his my favourite so it’s all good. And again I will repeat it isn’t canon despite your personal bias towards the story and yes it has been emulated to a degree on some occasions because it is critically acclaimed doesn’t mean its canon.

I disagree with that. I don’t think you’re missing the legacy IF you can tell the story in a compelling way. That’s my point. I get what you’re saying. I’m just saying a good writer can side step that. A great writer can side step it and make elevate it. Again especially if you’re dealing with an older Batman who’s struggling to keep it going.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

I disagree with that. I don’t think you’re missing the legacy IF you can tell the story in a compelling way. That’s my point. I get what you’re saying. I’m just saying a good writer can side step that. A great writer can side step it and make elevate it. Again especially if you’re dealing with an older Batman who’s struggling to keep it going.

This is where we will have to agree to disagree as my point still stands, by introducing her she is in essence defining the Robin role in the movie verse. Also old Batman was stupid as fukk and goes back to one of my earlier points of Snyder jumping the gun and blowing his load way to soon. It’s like the guy doesn’t know the meaning of building anticipation and just literally throws shyt at the screen because it is cool.

 

[MartyMcFly]

This is where we will have to agree to disagree as my point still stands, by introducing her she is in essence defining the Robin role in the movie verse. Also old Batman was stupid as fukk and goes back to one of my earlier points of Snyder jumping the gun and blowing his load way to soon. It’s like the guy doesn’t know the meaning of building anticipation and just literally throws shyt at the screen because it is cool.

Well Snyder isn’t a good or great writer

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Well Snyder isn’t a good or great writer

That I can agree with you on.

 

[jwinfield]

But we've seen a version of Robin before in film.

We've seen Bruce when he's learning to be Batman.

We've seen the happy go lucky Superman

Why does every series have to start at the same point?

Why do we need to see one or two Robin's before we get to Carrie?

Why do we have to start with pre-jaded Batman just to get to old and jaded Batman that doesn't give a fukk anymore?

All of this goes back to people wanting to see the same thing they experienced in the past, not giving a fukk about other takes on characters that have a ton of them

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

But we've seen a version of Robin before in film.

We've seen Bruce when he's learning to be Batman.

We've seen the happy go lucky Superman

Why does every series have to start at the same point?

Why do we need to see one or two Robin's before we get to Carrie?

Why do we have to start with pre-jaded Batman just to get to old and jaded Batman that doesn't give a fukk anymore?

All of this goes back to people wanting to see the same thing they experienced in the past, not giving a fukk about other takes on characters that have a ton of them

Different interpretations that’s why, Bales Bruce isn’t the same as Afflecks hence we have never seen a young DC verse Bruce. Same with Joel Schumacher Robin who wouldn’t be the same as Snyders. Pretty simple concept and not as overly complicated as you are trying to paint it.