I'm a Black Expat AMA

[Wiseborn]

Have you experience any kind of racism in the DR or any other country you been to

No I haven't well I did in England and Canada

 

[Balla]

If you were Chris Brown you wouldn't trick because bytches even if they wanted you for your money would gladly fukk for free then try to get a child support check out of you.

You're like Chris Brown overseas a bytch might not charge you but she wants you to pay it would be the same thing she'd try to tell you she's pregnant and expect you to pay "child support".

American chicks are entitled but i guess if you took a chick to Maxim's in Paris meaning flew her out she might feel obligated to fukking you.

You take a colombian chick to hooters and she'll feel the same way.

But understand even a chick with a "good job: is super broke in conpariison to you. She might 500 bucks a month (which is a lot overseas) and pay 200 for rent and have 3 people staying with her.

Most Colombians and Kenyans eat coffee (colombia) and an arepa (which is like a piece of cooked bread with cheese or sometimes meat but usually plain. Kenyans take Tea and a donut like bread. they eat a big lunch so chances are a foriegn chick is starving when she meets you. You drop 10 racks on dinner to a chick making 40K in the states and she's looking at you funny or expecting you to drop off a few racks on her since you got it to throw away like that.

The foriegn chick feels the same way over a 40 dollar meal.

Like I said tricking is a funny term If a foriegn chick said fukk hooters lets go to this mom and pop restuarant then went back to your place and she fukked the shyt out of you and she said can you give me taxi fare back home? the dinner at the Mom and Pop cost 15 bucks and she aske for 20. She would probably spend 50 cents to take the bus back and use the rest on groceries did you trick?


You came out of pocket after fukking, I guess tricking in the sense that you're thinking of is a bytch saying It's 20 dollars for head in that case I'm not tricking.

That’s what I was saying I’m cool with going on dates and pay for a taxi, I’m basically talkin about prostitution, I’m not with that.

When I hear passport bros say women are better overseas I’m thinking more feminine and grateful.

But it seems that these brehs are really going to women that are known hoes and paying to get some.

Yeah it’s what you said in your last sentence.

From what I’m understanding, it’s just the same in the States but cheaper.

So why aren’t passport brehs doing that instead?

 

[Wiseborn]

That’s what I was saying I’m cool with going on dates and pay for a taxi, I’m basically talkin about prostitution, I’m not with that.

When I hear passport bros say women are better overseas I’m thinking more feminine and grateful.

But it seems that these brehs are really going to women that are known hoes and paying to get some.

Yeah it’s what you said in your last sentence.

From what I’m understanding, it’s just the same in the States but cheaper.

So why aren’t passport brehs doing that instead?

LOL.

I said when a chick asks for 20 bucks for a taxi that's like an american chick asking for a 1000 dollars.

At the end of the day you fukked and you're wallet got lighter and her's got heavier. It's important to not delude yourself.

For me it's about the principal not the money. I don't want a chick coming to me every time with hands out.

But I understand that there's times she's gonna ask. Literally today a friend asked me for 20,000 pesos or 4.46 she asked to borrow it.


Anyone knows that when a Man loans a woman money he's not getting it back. I told her I'd give it to her in exchange for cleaning my house that way shorty knows that she's not getting something for nothing and I help her out in the clutch and I get cut rate cleaning because the going rate is usually double that to clean a place.


I guess you could say those youtubers aren't tricking they're paying the girl to get more views and superchats and they usually take her down.

If you beleive buying a bytch a hamburger is tricking they they're tricking But the girl doesn't consider it tricking it's literally she was paid for her time and she decided to sleep with the guy.
As far as why passport bros trick either it's a once a year trip to a different place each year or they like giving bytches money or they want to smash multiple women in a day. Like I said the chick knows that you're getting on a plane soon so she's unlikely to add miles on the p*ssy for nothing.


I move different because I live here.

 

[Balla]

LOL.

I said when a chick asks for 20 bucks for a taxi that's like an american chick asking for a 1000 dollars.

At the end of the day you fukked and you're wallet got lighter and her's got heavier. It's important to not delude yourself.

For me it's about the principal not the money. I don't want a chick coming to me every time with hands out.

But I understand that there's times she's gonna ask. Literally today a friend asked me for 20,000 pesos or 4.46 she asked to borrow it.


Anyone knows that when a Man loans a woman money he's not getting it back. I told her I'd give it to her in exchange for cleaning my house that way shorty knows that she's not getting something for nothing and I help her out in the clutch and I get cut rate cleaning because the going rate is usually double that to clean a place.


I guess you could say those youtubers aren't tricking they're paying the girl to get more views and superchats and they usually take her down.

If you beleive buying a bytch a hamburger is tricking they they're tricking But the girl doesn't consider it tricking it's literally she was paid for her time and she decided to sleep with the guy.
As far as why passport bros trick either it's a once a year trip to a different place each year or they like giving bytches money or they want to smash multiple women in a day. Like I said the chick knows that you're getting on a plane soon so she's unlikely to add miles on the p*ssy for nothing.


I move different because I live here.

Nah I ain’t say buying a bytch a burger is tricking lmao.

I was saying paying straight up or buying gifts if she ain’t yo chick is tricking.

So how do you stop them from getting mad when you don’t give them money? What’s the limit on how much you give where it’s not tricking?

And of course, I forgot to ask this, where you meeting all your chicks at? Tinder or just hollerin at them outside?

 

[Wiseborn]

Nah I ain’t say buying a bytch a burger is tricking lmao.

I was saying paying straight up or buying gifts if she ain’t yo chick is tricking.

So how do you stop them from getting mad when you don’t give them money? What’s the limit on how much you give where it’s not tricking?

And of course, I forgot to ask this, where you meeting all your chicks at? Tinder or just hollerin at them outside?

My point is you decide when it's tricking or not.

I never had a chick get mad at me and if I did I would pay her to go away.

I meet them on Tinder on the streets and through friends of friends, Your reputation matters the streets are always watching especially if you don't live in a touristy neighborhood.

 

[InterestedNow]

This is like the main travel thread on the Coli, so...

*I was just in Colombia last week. I didn't get into any "passport bros" stuff, but I felt I'd share some observations.

I landed in Bogota and stayed at the Masaya Hostel for the first night. I think that some people still have an image of hostels being dirty and full of insects (shout-out to some Las Vegas, Nevada hostels), but it's actually not the case in most of the places that I've stayed at around the world. Masaya Hostel was clean and most importantly, the sleeping "pod" was clean. It is in the "La Candelaria" area. Alot of nice and clean hostels between $7-$10 USD

Bogota gave a strong San Francisco or New York City Union Square area-vibe. I've never been to Portland or Seattle, so I'm not sure how it compares to them. Alot of women with septum rings and tattoos (not my preference, but it wouldn't make me completely shut someone out). Alot of graffiti (resistance/ACAB-type stuff) and beautiful murals.

I speak fluent Spanish, so I can't comment on Bogota's level of English comprehension.

I'm a walker, so I didn't take the Transmilenio, but I guess that if you take it during the day, and or don't stick out like a sore thumb tourist with a bunch of baggage, then you should be okay. That being said, Cali has the stereotype of being the most dangerous city in Colombia, but some people consider the most dangerous city to be Bogota. The last few years have been interesting since the pandemic makes any poor country even poorer, and they "just" elected their first socialist president this year, so some folks are still on-edge.

I got a haircut, and gave the guy a 5000 pesos tip, and he was shocked. I guess they don't really expect to get any tips. 5000 pesos is probably about $1.25 USD.

Supposedly it's safe to drink the water in Bogota.

Theatron is possibly the largest nightclub in the country. It's marketed as gay-friendly. I didn't visit it, so I'm not sure if a straight person would feel out of place there or not. I think capacity is 5000 people.

Food is CHEAP!

Beautiful women all around.

I also took a flight to stay with some family in Pereira for 3 days. Smaller city in the coffee zone, very close to aguas termales (thermal waters), and many nice friendly people. You do still have to keep one eye open for atracadores (armed robbers), because it is Colombia.

*Like in most of Latin America, very rarely do you get a spoiled avocado.

*I saw one of the most beautiful women that I've ever seen in Pereira, but I was going to be there for such a short time, so why even start something that I don't plan to finish. I hope she's still there when I return, and not married with children.

*One of my cousins set up a little arepas, chorizos, empanadas shop outside of his father's home. From him you can buy 7 arepas for 1 USD and still have change left.

*Ubers are very cheap in Colombia, but may not be completely legal. I had some payment issues on the app, but I was never overcharged or anything like that. I never felt that I was in any danger. Once again, they're very cheap. Sit in the front or have some anti-nausea medication if you easily get car sick, because some roads are very mountainous.

*If you are traveling from DR to Bogota, please know that it will be COLD in Bogota. At least during this last week, I'd guess that Bogota was colder than NYC.

*I've never been to Medellin, so I'm not sure how it would compare to the cities that I did visit, but in case anyone is interested in visiting Pereira, there will be direct flights from Medellin starting in December.

*Airlines (Avianca and Wingo) still required me to wear a face mask.

Since this is a @Wiseborn AMA thread, um...

1.) Did you ever get harassed by cops in Colombia? I didn't, but what's your experience with this?

2.) What non-coding job can somebody work online from Colombia, without needing to use VPN-trickery, that will let them earn $1,500-$2,000 USD per month?

3.) Why is Cartagena one of the more expensive places in Colombia? I've never been there, but I feel like alot of brehs have.

 

[InterestedNow]

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[InterestedNow]

Edit... How do I post a video for my phone here?

 

[hatealot]

This is like the main travel thread on the Coli, so...

*I was just in Colombia last week. I didn't get into any "passport bros" stuff, but I felt I'd share some observations.

I landed in Bogota and stayed at the Masaya Hostel for the first night. I think that some people still have an image of hostels being dirty and full of insects (shout-out to some Las Vegas, Nevada hostels), but it's actually not the case in most of the places that I've stayed at around the world. Masaya Hostel was clean and most importantly, the sleeping "pod" was clean. It is in the "La Candelaria" area. Alot of nice and clean hostels between $7-$10 USD

Bogota gave a strong San Francisco or New York City Union Square area-vibe. I've never been to Portland or Seattle, so I'm not sure how it compares to them. Alot of women with septum rings and tattoos (not my preference, but it wouldn't make me completely shut someone out). Alot of graffiti (resistance/ACAB-type stuff) and beautiful murals.

I speak fluent Spanish, so I can't comment on Bogota's level of English comprehension.

I'm a walker, so I didn't take the Transmilenio, but I guess that if you take it during the day, and or don't stick out like a sore thumb tourist with a bunch of baggage, then you should be okay. That being said, Cali has the stereotype of being the most dangerous city in Colombia, but some people consider the most dangerous city to be Bogota. The last few years have been interesting since the pandemic makes any poor country even poorer, and they "just" elected their first socialist president this year, so some folks are still on-edge.

I got a haircut, and gave the guy a 5000 pesos tip, and he was shocked. I guess they don't really expect to get any tips. 5000 pesos is probably about $1.25 USD.

Supposedly it's safe to drink the water in Bogota.

Theatron is possibly the largest nightclub in the country. It's marketed as gay-friendly. I didn't visit it, so I'm not sure if a straight person would feel out of place there or not. I think capacity is 5000 people.

Food is CHEAP!

Beautiful women all around.

I also took a flight to stay with some family in Pereira for 3 days. Smaller city in the coffee zone, very close to aguas termales (thermal waters), and many nice friendly people. You do still have to keep one eye open for atracadores (armed robbers), because it is Colombia.

*Like in most of Latin America, very rarely do you get a spoiled avocado.

*I saw one of the most beautiful women that I've ever seen in Pereira, but I was going to be there for such a short time, so why even start something that I don't plan to finish. I hope she's still there when I return, and not married with children.

*One of my cousins set up a little arepas, chorizos, empanadas shop outside of his father's home. From him you can buy 7 arepas for 1 USD and still have change left.

*Ubers are very cheap in Colombia, but may not be completely legal. I had some payment issues on the app, but I was never overcharged or anything like that. I never felt that I was in any danger. Once again, they're very cheap. Sit in the front or have some anti-nausea medication if you easily get car sick, because some roads are very mountainous.

*If you are traveling from DR to Bogota, please know that it will be COLD in Bogota. At least during this last week, I'd guess that Bogota was colder than NYC.

*I've never been to Medellin, so I'm not sure how it would compare to the cities that I did visit, but in case anyone is interested in visiting Pereira, there will be direct flights from Medellin starting in December.

*Airlines (Avianca and Wingo) still required me to wear a face mask.

Since this is a @Wiseborn AMA thread, um...

1.) Did you ever get harassed by cops in Colombia? I didn't, but what's your experience with this?

2.) What non-coding job can somebody work online from Colombia, without needing to use VPN-trickery, that will let them earn $1,500-$2,000 USD per month?

3.) Why is Cartagena one of the more expensive places in Colombia? I've never been there, but I feel like alot of brehs have.

Nice to meet you.
This was a good write up

 

[hatealot]

This is like the main travel thread on the Coli, so...

*I was just in Colombia last week. I didn't get into any "passport bros" stuff, but I felt I'd share some observations.

I landed in Bogota and stayed at the Masaya Hostel for the first night. I think that some people still have an image of hostels being dirty and full of insects (shout-out to some Las Vegas, Nevada hostels), but it's actually not the case in most of the places that I've stayed at around the world. Masaya Hostel was clean and most importantly, the sleeping "pod" was clean. It is in the "La Candelaria" area. Alot of nice and clean hostels between $7-$10 USD

Bogota gave a strong San Francisco or New York City Union Square area-vibe. I've never been to Portland or Seattle, so I'm not sure how it compares to them. Alot of women with septum rings and tattoos (not my preference, but it wouldn't make me completely shut someone out). Alot of graffiti (resistance/ACAB-type stuff) and beautiful murals.

I speak fluent Spanish, so I can't comment on Bogota's level of English comprehension.

I'm a walker, so I didn't take the Transmilenio, but I guess that if you take it during the day, and or don't stick out like a sore thumb tourist with a bunch of baggage, then you should be okay. That being said, Cali has the stereotype of being the most dangerous city in Colombia, but some people consider the most dangerous city to be Bogota. The last few years have been interesting since the pandemic makes any poor country even poorer, and they "just" elected their first socialist president this year, so some folks are still on-edge.

I got a haircut, and gave the guy a 5000 pesos tip, and he was shocked. I guess they don't really expect to get any tips. 5000 pesos is probably about $1.25 USD.

Supposedly it's safe to drink the water in Bogota.

Theatron is possibly the largest nightclub in the country. It's marketed as gay-friendly. I didn't visit it, so I'm not sure if a straight person would feel out of place there or not. I think capacity is 5000 people.

Food is CHEAP!

Beautiful women all around.

I also took a flight to stay with some family in Pereira for 3 days. Smaller city in the coffee zone, very close to aguas termales (thermal waters), and many nice friendly people. You do still have to keep one eye open for atracadores (armed robbers), because it is Colombia.

*Like in most of Latin America, very rarely do you get a spoiled avocado.

*I saw one of the most beautiful women that I've ever seen in Pereira, but I was going to be there for such a short time, so why even start something that I don't plan to finish. I hope she's still there when I return, and not married with children.

*One of my cousins set up a little arepas, chorizos, empanadas shop outside of his father's home. From him you can buy 7 arepas for 1 USD and still have change left.

*Ubers are very cheap in Colombia, but may not be completely legal. I had some payment issues on the app, but I was never overcharged or anything like that. I never felt that I was in any danger. Once again, they're very cheap. Sit in the front or have some anti-nausea medication if you easily get car sick, because some roads are very mountainous.

*If you are traveling from DR to Bogota, please know that it will be COLD in Bogota. At least during this last week, I'd guess that Bogota was colder than NYC.

*I've never been to Medellin, so I'm not sure how it would compare to the cities that I did visit, but in case anyone is interested in visiting Pereira, there will be direct flights from Medellin starting in December.

*Airlines (Avianca and Wingo) still required me to wear a face mask.

Since this is a @Wiseborn AMA thread, um...

1.) Did you ever get harassed by cops in Colombia? I didn't, but what's your experience with this?

2.) What non-coding job can somebody work online from Colombia, without needing to use VPN-trickery, that will let them earn $1,500-$2,000 USD per month?

3.) Why is Cartagena one of the more expensive places in Colombia? I've never been there, but I feel like alot of brehs have.

Nice to meet ya. Good write up.

 

[Wiseborn]

This is like the main travel thread on the Coli, so...

*I was just in Colombia last week. I didn't get into any "passport bros" stuff, but I felt I'd share some observations.

I landed in Bogota and stayed at the Masaya Hostel for the first night. I think that some people still have an image of hostels being dirty and full of insects (shout-out to some Las Vegas, Nevada hostels), but it's actually not the case in most of the places that I've stayed at around the world. Masaya Hostel was clean and most importantly, the sleeping "pod" was clean. It is in the "La Candelaria" area. Alot of nice and clean hostels between $7-$10 USD

Bogota gave a strong San Francisco or New York City Union Square area-vibe. I've never been to Portland or Seattle, so I'm not sure how it compares to them. Alot of women with septum rings and tattoos (not my preference, but it wouldn't make me completely shut someone out). Alot of graffiti (resistance/ACAB-type stuff) and beautiful murals.

I speak fluent Spanish, so I can't comment on Bogota's level of English comprehension.

I'm a walker, so I didn't take the Transmilenio, but I guess that if you take it during the day, and or don't stick out like a sore thumb tourist with a bunch of baggage, then you should be okay. That being said, Cali has the stereotype of being the most dangerous city in Colombia, but some people consider the most dangerous city to be Bogota. The last few years have been interesting since the pandemic makes any poor country even poorer, and they "just" elected their first socialist president this year, so some folks are still on-edge.

I got a haircut, and gave the guy a 5000 pesos tip, and he was shocked. I guess they don't really expect to get any tips. 5000 pesos is probably about $1.25 USD.

Supposedly it's safe to drink the water in Bogota.

Theatron is possibly the largest nightclub in the country. It's marketed as gay-friendly. I didn't visit it, so I'm not sure if a straight person would feel out of place there or not. I think capacity is 5000 people.

Food is CHEAP!

Beautiful women all around.

I also took a flight to stay with some family in Pereira for 3 days. Smaller city in the coffee zone, very close to aguas termales (thermal waters), and many nice friendly people. You do still have to keep one eye open for atracadores (armed robbers), because it is Colombia.

*Like in most of Latin America, very rarely do you get a spoiled avocado.

*I saw one of the most beautiful women that I've ever seen in Pereira, but I was going to be there for such a short time, so why even start something that I don't plan to finish. I hope she's still there when I return, and not married with children.

*One of my cousins set up a little arepas, chorizos, empanadas shop outside of his father's home. From him you can buy 7 arepas for 1 USD and still have change left.

*Ubers are very cheap in Colombia, but may not be completely legal. I had some payment issues on the app, but I was never overcharged or anything like that. I never felt that I was in any danger. Once again, they're very cheap. Sit in the front or have some anti-nausea medication if you easily get car sick, because some roads are very mountainous.

*If you are traveling from DR to Bogota, please know that it will be COLD in Bogota. At least during this last week, I'd guess that Bogota was colder than NYC.

*I've never been to Medellin, so I'm not sure how it would compare to the cities that I did visit, but in case anyone is interested in visiting Pereira, there will be direct flights from Medellin starting in December.

*Airlines (Avianca and Wingo) still required me to wear a face mask.

Since this is a @Wiseborn AMA thread, um...

1.) Did you ever get harassed by cops in Colombia? I didn't, but what's your experience with this?

2.) What non-coding job can somebody work online from Colombia, without needing to use VPN-trickery, that will let them earn $1,500-$2,000 USD per month?

3.) Why is Cartagena one of the more expensive places in Colombia? I've never been there, but I feel like alot of brehs have.

great write up are you Colombian?

i never had a bad experience with the cops they treat me with the utmost respect


i know dudes who sell bealth insurance to the brehs who work they find jobs on Craigslist or Upwork

I havent been either but its the main beach town in northern South America. Theres Santa Marta and San Andres Island but Cartegena has bytches henny and hip-hop clubs so its a huge tourist trap

 

[InterestedNow]

@Wiseborn I'm half Colombian and half Dominican.

I know that when I spoke with Colombians, they make it seem like everything is expensive (because to them it is), but since I'm ignorant of Cartagena, and I know that it's "the coast", I was wondering if it's "so expensive" why don't Colombians go vacation in DR instead of Cartagena?

*If you have a sweet tooth, alfajor is very delicious.

*Make sure to eat your fruit and veggies. Alot of the Colombian diet is Chorizo and Arepas, and there are many different breads for sale in the country, so make sure to get that fiber in or else you'll regret it.

*Colombia loves dogs alot. In Bogota, I didn't really see any street dogs. I did see people walking their dogs without a leash though. That includes pitbulls. Thankfully, the big dogs that are with police and military all seem to be muzzled.

*Like I said, I didn't have any problems with police either, but one always hears of it being a possibility in these countries (at least for bribes). There was one local that did get frisked (hands against the wall) just as I was about to cross the street. Did he look suspicious? Yea...I guess. Did he actually do anything wrong? I don't know, and I didn't stick around to find out.

*According to Google, this is like a rainy season in Colombia right now, but from my experience, it was like that thing that it just rains 1 to 2 hours a day and that's it.

 

[The Solid One]

Yes thats what I'm talking about those nikkas on Youtube be capping hard.

Can you bag without trickin' Yes but the bytch either got to really like you and or she's playing the long game.


If you want to literally go to the club and pull a baddie out then the best place for that for a ADOS dude is England or Scandenavia


Wenching is global bytches will fukk someone who looks completely different before they fukk someone similar to them. The goofiest white boy would clean up in clubs in Africa. An ADOS dude could too but that's because they see you as white.


The DR is a special case because of the welcoming committee.


But you can smash for free I just went on a date with a chick I met on Tinder and I think she was trying to get me to take an online spanish class. I might consider the class but I invited her to netlfix n chill. Didn't work on her but it did work on this chick a few days ago. I fukked her six ways till sunday and if I was a a$$hole I could've just not called her (actually I did forget to call and she was pissed) But I took her to the movies and didn't try to fukk just to let her know that I'm not just trying to fukk a bunch of bytches and dip.

Obviously that's these chicks main concern in a lot of ways they are more traditional and chaste than western broads unless they're the hoein'or someone is power simpin'. These hoes in the thirld world ain't running though foriegn dudes like that. The biggest lie these youtubers tell is that random bytches is just gonna hop on your dikk. Barber World told me out of his own mouth in Sosua he fukked every chick in his videos and so does everyone else.

Can you explain this more?

 

[Wiseborn]

@Wiseborn I'm half Colombian and half Dominican.

I know that when I spoke with Colombians, they make it seem like everything is expensive (because to them it is), but since I'm ignorant of Cartagena, and I know that it's "the coast", I was wondering if it's "so expensive" why don't Colombians go vacation in DR instead of Cartagena?

*If you have a sweet tooth, alfajor is very delicious.

*Make sure to eat your fruit and veggies. Alot of the Colombian diet is Chorizo and Arepas, and there are many different breads for sale in the country, so make sure to get that fiber in or else you'll regret it.

*Colombia loves dogs alot. In Bogota, I didn't really see any street dogs. I did see people walking their dogs without a leash though. That includes pitbulls. Thankfully, the big dogs that are with police and military all seem to be muzzled.

*Like I said, I didn't have any problems with police either, but one always hears of it being a possibility in these countries (at least for bribes). There was one local that did get frisked (hands against the wall) just as I was about to cross the street. Did he look suspicious? Yea...I guess. Did he actually do anything wrong? I don't know, and I didn't stick around to find out.

*According to Google, this is like a rainy season in Colombia right now, but from my experience, it was like that thing that it just rains 1 to 2 hours a day and that's it.

The Colombian Peso has crashed against the dollar everything has shot up in price. my cell phone bill went from 60,000 pesos to 100,000 pesos but it's rroughly the same price because the dollar has increased in value.


I guess they don't go to the DR because of the hassle of going or maybe they don't like the DR it's a totally different yet similar culture at the same time.

I never seen so many bakieries in my life there's like two on every corner. You can get bread here more often than you can get coffee.

Damn near everyone here has a dog, no strays in Cali either Unlike the packs of dogs roaming around Gazcue (an upscale neighborhood) in Santo Domingo.


There's the National Police, the Traffic Police and some municipal (city) police. only the national police carry pistols. The Muni Cops seem to be mainly cute women and they just hang around in groups maybe they're there for women's protection.


It usually rains like clockwork every 3rd day for an hour during evening rush and early morning.

 

[Wiseborn]

Can you explain this more?

In Africa if you're not directly born in Africa you're a "tether". To them. They know that you're Black but they see you as different than then and you are.

Most ADOS don't look like Africans ADOS has too much admixture You don't even look like mixed African people 500 years did kind of create a separate race Like the jews and the samaritians.