illmatic: lyrical masterpiece or fraud?

[Taco]

My favorite rapper tupac is better than nas and twenty years later nas still can't eclipse him

Music is def subjective but I thought Pacs delivery and flow were weak compared to nas. A lot of people say illmatic is fraud but you ask any rapper who was on top about illmatic and they'll say it was a classic.(but most people on the coli had a classic album so they must be right,right?)

 

[Whitty Hutton]

lol the fact you dudes are still talking about Illmatic in 2015 and upping threads to convince eeeeevvvverybody else here why it isn't a great album is very telling

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

"Weak" is the track that moved units. Look it up.

Human Nature was big too, but nowhere near as big as Weak. and Human Nature went gold. So your point about "sampling MJ" = crossover success is shoddy at best.

Besides, good job ignoring the rest of my post. Now we're debating how big SWV were as opposed to the core of the argument, which is Illmatic being a special album or not.

I ignored the rest of your post cause it was just emotional fluff
SWV did attempt to crossover as did nas. Nas failed.
Having a gold single on a triple platinum album,while the peak single is plat and the rest are gold is not a let down at all. And That song was huge. I vividly remember
SWV discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LMAO,you silly young nikkas kill me. Nowhere near as big,huh? Go have a look,lmao

Right Here (SWV song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A remixed version, commonly referred to as "Right Here/Human Nature", became a number-one R&B single, selling 500,000 copies and earning a gold certification from the Recording Industry Association of America.[2][3] According to Billboard, the song spent 54 weeks on the R&B chart, which is one of the longest chart runs of all time.[


Nas told Rolling Stone: "That was one of the records that jump-started the commercial success for me on my first album, the Michael Jackson sample ['Human Nature']. That was my introduction to the world, my first official single, so I had to do that."

Nas: We did the original version in Large Professor’s apartment. And once there was a deal in place, we were able to use a real mic and a real studio [to re-record]. After me, SWV did “Right Here” with the same sample [from Michael Jackson’s “Human Nature”]. I felt like I was responsible for that record, but the reality is that “Human Nature” was such a beautiful-ass song that people wanted to replay that. When the SWV record came out, I was pissed, because if I was to have a record for the radio, that was the perfect one. And when SWV took the shine, it was like, “Oh no!” Of course, it was my first album. I was like, Wait, how am I gonna get Michael Jackson to clear this? And then I realized, Oh shyt, we’re label mates! So we made it happen.

The Making Of Nas’ ‘Illmatic’ — XXL Issue 112

*in my jay-z voice* " before ya leave,i guess i aughta let you know, i need those keys
and promise you never, no matter the weather
evaevaevaevaevaevaevaevaeva come around here no mo' "

 

[SirBiatch]

I ignored the rest of your post cause it was just emotional fluff
SWV did attempt to crossover as did nas. Nas failed.
Having a gold single on a triple platinum album,while the peak single is plat and the rest are gold is not a let down at all. And That song was huge. I vividly remember
SWV discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LMAO,you silly young nikkas kill me. Nowhere near as big,huh? Go have a look,lmao

Right Here (SWV song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A remixed version, commonly referred to as "Right Here/Human Nature", became a number-one R&B single, selling 500,000 copies and earning a gold certification from the Recording Industry Association of America.[2][3] According to Billboard, the song spent 54 weeks on the R&B chart, which is one of the longest chart runs of all time.[


Nas told Rolling Stone: "That was one of the records that jump-started the commercial success for me on my first album, the Michael Jackson sample ['Human Nature']. That was my introduction to the world, my first official single, so I had to do that."

Nas: We did the original version in Large Professor’s apartment. And once there was a deal in place, we were able to use a real mic and a real studio [to re-record]. After me, SWV did “Right Here” with the same sample [from Michael Jackson’s “Human Nature”]. I felt like I was responsible for that record, but the reality is that “Human Nature” was such a beautiful-ass song that people wanted to replay that. When the SWV record came out, I was pissed, because if I was to have a record for the radio, that was the perfect one. And when SWV took the shine, it was like, “Oh no!” Of course, it was my first album. I was like, Wait, how am I gonna get Michael Jackson to clear this? And then I realized, Oh shyt, we’re label mates! So we made it happen.

The Making Of Nas’ ‘Illmatic’ — XXL Issue 112

*in my jay-z voice* " before ya leave,i guess i aughta let you know, i need those keys
and promise you never, no matter the weather
evaevaevaevaevaevaevaevaeva come around here no mo' "

This will devolve into stupidity. I say you're emotional, you call me emotional and so on.

Meanwhile, you're on here saying Illmatic is a forgettable album but the grand East Coast conspiracy kept it alive. More than 20 years after it came out

I've seen your posts before. You're not bright. I don't know if you've ever left your state to be honest. Always posting about "well my friends don't bump it so that makes it invalid"

Get your own thoughts.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This will devolve into stupidity. I say you're emotional, you call me emotional and so on.

Meanwhile, you're on here saying Illmatic is a forgettable album but the grand East Coast conspiracy kept it alive. More than 20 years after it came out

I've seen your posts before. You're not bright. I don't know if you've ever left your state to be honest. Always posting about "well my friends don't bump it so that makes it invalid"

Get your own thoughts.

I knew you wouldnt have anything for my last post. Mission accomplished

 

[Kliq_Souf]

lol the fact you dudes are still talking about Illmatic in 2015 and upping threads to convince eeeeevvvverybody else here why it isn't a great album is very telling

Exactly. The threadstarter been on hip-hop forums for a decade making the same threads just renaming the title. Shyt is quite comical how niccas still feed into it.
He's a lowlife.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

@SirBiatch is a young cac who wasn't allowed to listen to rap until Em had two albums... He ain't know shyt about illmatics virtual nonexistence when it came out and flopped.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

@Hannibal Fox

Come show me the good writing breh

 

[intilectual recipricol]

double

 

[intilectual recipricol]

triple

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

The wacker the pack, the fatter the smack
I hate it when real nikka bust
They hate when I cuss, they threaten to bust
I had enough of the fuss
I bust what I bust, and cuss when I must

-2pac

 

[TheLAKid]

OP is obsessed with Nas. The album came out over 20 years ago.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

The wacker the pack, the fatter the smack
I hate it when real nikka bust
They hate when I cuss, they threaten to bust
I had enough of the fuss
I bust what I bust, and cuss when I must

-2pac

you only highlightin the greatness of the lyrics

 

[B-Mint94]

@intilectual recipricol did Nas do something to you personally? Why do you hate the guy so much?

 

[intilectual recipricol]

dumb ass naS stans

I'm askin yall to point out the dope lyricism... what makes me hate yall and naS is the fact that yall cant do it, but then blame your inability to show dope naS lyrics on me.