illmatic: lyrical masterpiece or fraud?

[GetRichOrDieTryin]

He's no Pac
He's no cam either

rt he better than both

 

[SirBiatch]

Smh.
You're a proven liar.
You're not going to defend yourself?

what are the lies and where is the proof? All I see are stalkers playing dumb as usual

If you have evidence of me lying, point it out.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

what are the lies and where is the proof? All I see are stalkers playing dumb as usual

If you have evidence of me lying, point it out.

You didnt give those alternate reviews on Illmatic?
On your facebook,under your real name?
You're saying that didnt happen?

 

[SirBiatch]

You didnt give those alternate reviews on Illmatic?
On your facebook,under your real name?
You're saying that didnt happen?

again, what did I lie about and where is the proof? Get to the point

 

[SirBiatch]

-

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

again, what did I lie about and where is the proof? Get to the point

Did you or did you not?

 

[iamduval]

Ironically, OP's little 'breakdowns' are only highlighting the greatness of the lyrics.


Continue on...

Yeah I'm reading this shyt in amazement. This nikka nas was spazzing on ny state of mind

 

[SirBiatch]

Did you or did you not?

Aren't you supposed to be all about evidence and staying on topic for truth? Don't quote me again unless you answer my question directly. I know you love to play dumb so I'll repost it

what are the lies and where is the proof? All I see are stalkers playing dumb as usual

If you have evidence of me lying, point it out.

You're welcome to keep attention-whoring but it won't warrant a response from me

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

The myth of illmatic being great is one of the biggest lies in hip hop. Forgettable flows and beats, NOT ALL but mostly

it's just lauded out of East Coast bias, right? Typical Source fukkry, right?

Every beat and flow on that album is stellar. You say "mostly forgettable". Which is about 75%. Name the 7 forgettable tracks.

Entertain me.

I'll do what's easy for me. I'll name the 3 good ones. It aint hard to tell,Life's a bytch and world is yours.

to each his own. I don't know how anyone hears "One Love", "Memory Lane" and "Represent", and thinks: 'forgettable'.

ANd i've never met anyone that cared about the songs you named.

Even if that were true, surely you'd only have to travel/observe wider to see that millions of people care for those songs. More than 20 years later.

That ain't by coincidence. And you can't buy/invent that kind of love, either

Well it took 7 years for this album that "millions of people care about" to go platinum even though it was released on a major and had video rotation on the biggest outlets. That same year biggie released his debut which was plat in 6 months. Da brat released her debut that went plat around 6 months too. Bone's debut went double plat in around 6 months. outkast's debut went plat in one year.Warren g's debut was double in 3 months. So it's clear what made real impact and what DIDNT. Illmatic's legacy is an east coast print media creation that is sustained by nasir's career following that.

If a magazine or some tv documentary runs a story on 1994 etc and they're treating illmatic like it was a big deal and made a big splash,despite it's failure in comparison to the projects i named,that should clearly indicate propaganda that helps this album's legacy.
Ask yourself,why is this album probably the most media praised hiphop album of 1994 in particular,even though it's far behind in the impact it made on the general public?
Trust me,that type of love can definitely be invented if told to you enough times through media. Look at the push for gayness in america. Look at the POTUS cosigning and saying he's "proud" of this cross dressing weirdo "caitlyn" plenty of brainwashed people will be raised thinking this is normal just like brainwashed people believe illmatic really meant something. And for the same reasons.

blah blah blah you care way too much about stats. You a hip hop head or a pop fan? Because only pop fans care about how many people buy albums, platinum, etc as the primary measure for greatness.

You're talking about an album that was so heavily bootlegged prior to release, which obviously limited sales. And had zero crossover songs unlike Biggie's (which was designed like Illmatic in certain ways but with crossover desires).

You're right - in 1994 most people outside of New York weren't really up on Nas like that. But those who knew knew. And they thought he was fukking incredible. As the years passed, the album rose in stature. Like all great music should.

so what's the problem?

just in case you dont know. We had illmatic in 1994 my friend. None of my friends had or cared about it. I never heard anyone bumping it (i would know,WE HAD IT) from homes or cars etc. Nas sampled a song from the biggest album of all time for his first single,did he not? Sounds like crossover to me . Albums get bootlegged everyday B . The hotter you are the more bootlegged you get. There's footage of 2pac confronting a bootlegger in NY in 1991. They had a west coast digital undergound album out there. i dont care too much about stats,what you really want to say is I CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT FACTS,BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M STATING. You're telling me how much people cared from an opinion standpoint and i'm SHOWING YOU HOW MUCH PEOPLE DIDNT CARE BY POINTING OUT FACTS NUMERICALLY. It didnt "rise in stature" It was repeatedly talked up in media for years which will influence people to fukk with it. Along with nasir's success following that. There wasnt some big word of mouth situation where people went crazy over illmatic. It was told to you through media Kendrick Lamar style. In what ways was RTD designed like Illmatic?
Illmatic allegedly meant so much but it's clear whom changed their style after that and wanted be a "nikka in a pink suit trying to get cute"

Allegedly illmatic changed hiphop,but everyone was really following bad boy including nas.

By the way,i dont think sales determine the quality. I brought up sales cause you start talking about how much people loved it. I think it's meh cause of mediocre boring beats,forgettable flows

Your friends are not the entire world.





SWV sampled MJ and barely went Gold. and that song was huge. And they're an RnB group, which if you know at that time, was more marketable than rap.

So yeah....you were expecting a hood rapper to go platinum off an MJ sample?



The rest of your post is rambling and all over the place.

Fact of the matter is this: Illmatic is an incredible album. And people started realizing that organically and slowly.

It happens often with great art. Great art doesn't come out and smash records. It simply grows in stature as the years go by.

Did Citizen Kane smash records? did Goodfellas? like cmon B.

Do you recognize great art or are you more concerned with what your maybe-basic friends are bumping?

S.W.V. IT'S ABOUT TIME October 27, 1992 February 23, 1996 RCA Standard 3.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM GROUP

S.W.V. IT'S ABOUT TIME October 27, 1992 September 01, 1993 RCA Standard 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM GROUP


Right here HUMAN NATURE RMX was on this album my friend. Get your brakes tweeked debating with og's pleighboi

"Weak" is the track that moved units. Look it up.

Human Nature was big too, but nowhere near as big as Weak. and Human Nature went gold. So your point about "sampling MJ" = crossover success is shoddy at best.

Besides, good job ignoring the rest of my post. Now we're debating how big SWV were as opposed to the core of the argument, which is Illmatic being a special album or not.

I ignored the rest of your post cause it was just emotional fluff
SWV did attempt to crossover as did nas. Nas failed.
Having a gold single on a triple platinum album,while the peak single is plat and the rest are gold is not a let down at all. And That song was huge. I vividly remember
SWV discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LMAO,you silly young nikkas kill me. Nowhere near as big,huh? Go have a look,lmao

Right Here (SWV song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A remixed version, commonly referred to as "Right Here/Human Nature", became a number-one R&B single, selling 500,000 copies and earning a gold certification from the Recording Industry Association of America.[2][3] According to Billboard, the song spent 54 weeks on the R&B chart, which is one of the longest chart runs of all time.[


Nas told Rolling Stone: "That was one of the records that jump-started the commercial success for me on my first album, the Michael Jackson sample ['Human Nature']. That was my introduction to the world, my first official single, so I had to do that."

Nas: We did the original version in Large Professor’s apartment. And once there was a deal in place, we were able to use a real mic and a real studio [to re-record]. After me, SWV did “Right Here” with the same sample [from Michael Jackson’s “Human Nature”]. I felt like I was responsible for that record, but the reality is that “Human Nature” was such a beautiful-ass song that people wanted to replay that. When the SWV record came out, I was pissed, because if I was to have a record for the radio, that was the perfect one. And when SWV took the shine, it was like, “Oh no!” Of course, it was my first album. I was like, Wait, how am I gonna get Michael Jackson to clear this? And then I realized, Oh shyt, we’re label mates! So we made it happen.

The Making Of Nas’ ‘Illmatic’ — XXL Issue 112

*in my jay-z voice* " before ya leave,i guess i aughta let you know, i need those keys
and promise you never, no matter the weather
evaevaevaevaevaevaevaevaeva come around here no mo' "

I sonned nikkas

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

This will devolve into stupidity. I say you're emotional, you call me emotional and so on.

Meanwhile, you're on here saying Illmatic is a forgettable album but the grand East Coast conspiracy kept it alive. More than 20 years after it came out

I've seen your posts before. You're not bright. I don't know if you've ever left your state to be honest. Always posting about "well my friends don't bump it so that makes it invalid"

Get your own thoughts.

I knew you wouldnt have anything for my last post. Mission accomplished

What are you talking about? You did that

Here, i'll quote you

Written by Hoechi Osuji


6. Memory Lane - "ugh. This beat sucks! What's with the church-like voices? This shyt is way too slow. SKIP [that's right - I didn't even give the song a chance]"



7. One Love - "meh. Beat's weird and too low key. What the fukk is he rhyming on? SKIP"

9. Represent - "ugh. this is boring. It's just some guys shouting Represent over and over again. SKIP"

Now you can try to
But we all know that and that you can't handle the truth
But we don't believe you, you need more people

@SirBiatch talks out his ass,only so long fake posters can pretend

 

[DontEemTry]

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

He's no Pac
He's no cam either

Cam stans brehs

 

[TheSickness]

Cam stans brehs

Yeah...I really like Cam and think he's dope....but nah B

 

[Thegospel]

Such a truthful thread

B b but professors teach classes about it.

 

[Cladyclad]

Wtf is a mega cops?