illmatic: lyrical masterpiece or fraud?

[intilectual recipricol]

Great rebuttals.

Now ask yourselves this question, seeing as, you know, you're the ones trying to make sense of this rocketry:

'Bullet holes left in my peepholes'

OR

'Bullet holes left in my peoples'

...which, more than likely, is the actual rhyme spelled out in question

Dumbasses. I'm done.

So... youre insinuating that naS "makes sense"
you must not have read the lyrics...

does it make sense to "unfold" a scroll?

 

[En Sabah Nur]

It amuses me to see fools fall for obvious traps. Your attention feeds and satisfies this one to which you bicker with in ways no woman ever has

 

[The Jewnited States]

Peephole. Someone shooting at your door peephole after knocking and you look to see who it is. What is hard to process about that?

this. although i wouldn't be surprised if it was "peoples"

 

[Enzo]

A poetic way of describing violence in his neighborhood — the bullet hole in his apartment door suggests that there is no escape from the chaos that surrounds him. And “peepholes” is a homophone for “peoples”, suggesting that urban violence has cut down some of his friends as well as damaging his property.

- rapgenius.com

 

[intilectual recipricol]

A poetic way of describing violence in his neighborhood — the bullet hole in his apartment door suggests that there is no escape from the chaos that surrounds him. And “peepholes” is a homophone for “peoples”, suggesting that urban violence has cut down some of his friends as well as damaging his property.

- rapgenius.com

here is an example of givin a dummy too much credit. niccaz tryin to reverse analyze dumb lyrics. None of that weak line suggests any of what that says.

like I said before, niccaz listen to naS like they read the bible... a bunch of incoherent bullshyt that makes no sense, but niccaz read into it however they want to and claim its the best shyt ever.

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

I dont know why Illmatiics thought of as some lyrical mastepriece nas wasnt rhyming bout much of nothing in that shyt

IWW Nas grew much better lyrically because he was more versatile even better storyteller etc

 

[intilectual recipricol]

I dont know why Illmatiics thought of as some lyrical mastepriece nas wasnt rhyming bout much of nothing in that shyt

IWW Nas grew much better lyrically becase more versatile even better storyteller etc

exactamundo... the truth is, these mufukcaz just aint listening. they heard someone tell them illmatic had great lyrics and they just accepted it without doing any critical investigation. Then they took the actual facts and tried to make it fit their theory no matter how assbackwards it is.

 

[mobbinfms]

here is an example of givin a dummy too much credit. niccaz tryin to reverse analyze dumb lyrics. None of that weak line suggests any of what that says.

like I said before, niccaz listen to naS like they read the bible... a bunch of incoherent bullshyt that makes no sense, but niccaz read into it however they want to and claim its the best shyt ever.

And you do the exact same thing. Take universally regarded classic lines, act like you don't understand them, or nitpick stupid things or just claim they are wack for no good reason. Then act like your opinion is a fact.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

And you do the exact same thing. Take universally regarded classic lines, act like you don't understand them, or nitpick stupid things or just claim they are wack for no good reason. Then act like your opinion is a fact.

No, I take the words for what they mean and try to make sense of it. If the words together dont make sense, I call it like I see it. Simply because I have an idea of what they were ATTEMPTING to say doesnt mean they said it AND if they are supposed to be such a great writer then they should be able to write what they meant to say. Period. My opinion isnt fact, BUT facts are facts. And illmatic doesnt make fukcin sense if you take the words for what they mean.

 

[mobbinfms]

No, I take the words for what they mean and try to make sense of it. If the words together dont make sense, I call it like I see it. Simply because I have an idea of what they were ATTEMPTING to say doesnt mean they said it AND if they are supposed to be such a great writer then they should be able to write what they meant to say. Period. My opinion isnt fact, BUT facts are facts. And illmatic doesnt make fukcin sense if you take the words for what they mean.

Doesn't make sense to you. You can't leave out that part!

Serious question: if Illmatic is as bad as you claim it is lyrically, why was it instantly heralded as a lyrical masterpiece and why does it continue to be viewed that way?

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Doesn't make sense to you. You can't leave out that part!

Serious question: if Illmatic is as bad as you claim it is lyrically, why was it instantly heralded as a lyrical masterpiece and why does it continue to be viewed that way?

Group think. FACT is (look at record sales) nobody had the album or gave a fukc about it, even with certain co-signs from magazines. No one really listened or listens to it. No one actually has the album, they just love to follow a trend. This has already been discussed.

What doesnt make sense is a factual statement. Like it doesnt make sense to unfold a scroll. That line doesnt make sense at all, to anyone because you dont unfold scrolls. Just because mufukcaz know what he meant doesnt make the line make sense.

 

[mobbinfms]

Group think. FACT is (look at record sales) nobody had the album or gave a fukc about it, even with certain co-signs from magazines. No one really listened or listens to it. No one actually has the album, they just love to follow a trend. This has already been discussed.

What doesnt make sense is a factual statement. Like it doesnt make sense to unfold a scroll. That line doesnt make sense at all, to anyone because you dont unfold scrolls. Just because mufukcaz know what he meant doesnt make the line make sense.

Hmmm. So if no one had the album or gave a fukk about it, why was it instantly heralded as a lyrical classic?

What are these co-signs you speak of?

 

[mobbinfms]

Group think. FACT is (look at record sales) nobody had the album or gave a fukc about it, even with certain co-signs from magazines. No one really listened or listens to it. No one actually has the album, they just love to follow a trend. This has already been discussed.

What doesnt make sense is a factual statement. Like it doesnt make sense to unfold a scroll. That line doesnt make sense at all, to anyone because you dont unfold scrolls. Just because mufukcaz know what he meant doesnt make the line make sense.

Things making sense can be subjective. For example, if you don't understand a reference. Like when the line about Tyson and Indiana didn't make sense because you didn't catch the reference.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Hmmm. So if no one had the album or gave a fukk about it, why was it instantly heralded as a lyrical classic?

What are these co-signs you speak of?

It wasnt heralded as a classic among people. NO ONE HAD THE ALBUM. Look at the record sales of that era. naS was a NON FUKCING FACTOR in 94. Cosigns from magazines breh. East Coast hip hop mags... no one else gave a fukc about illmatic, its been shown ad nauseum here on the boards.

Maybe on a couple blocks in Queens niccaz fukced with it, but literally nowhere else.

Albums that were classic because the people said so? The Chronic, Doggystyle, Me Against the World, Death Certificate, Ready To Die (even though I personally disagree) Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, The Diary...

and more... these are albums that people actually had.

magazine hyped classics... illmatic and that lil kim joint that got 5 mics

 

[mobbinfms]

It wasnt heralded as a classic among people. NO ONE HAD THE ALBUM. Look at the record sales of that era. naS was a NON FUKCING FACTOR in 94. Cosigns from magazines breh. East Coast hip hop mags... no one else gave a fukc about illmatic, its been shown ad nauseum here on the boards.

Maybe on a couple blocks in Queens niccaz fukced with it, but literally nowhere else.

Albums that were classic because the people said so? The Chronic, Doggystyle, Me Against the World, Death Certificate, Ready To Die (even though I personally disagree) Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik, The Diary...

and more... these are albums that people actually had.

magazine hyped classics... illmatic and that lil kim joint that got 5 mics

Record sales? What is the minimum number of records you need to sell to be a classic because the people said so? Also - are you accounting for people who had bootlegs/dubbed tapes? What's the total number with that?

So why did the magazines pick such an awful lyricist to hype up as the second coming of lyricism? Why not Fat Joe? AG? Why was there this widespread conspiracy to prop up Nas? How did the magazines benefit?