illmatic: lyrical masterpiece or fraud?

[CHITLING flavored CEREAL]

so basically all op is doing is posting lyrics and sayin its trash or it doesnt make sense, like you cant do that with any album?

this shyt is the saddest display of exposing(or trying to) ive ever seen

all op did was expose that nas lyrics are over his head and that he cant comprehend what nas is saying so he says its stupid............. the t/s asked "what is loose cracks"

 

[blackslash]

These Nas stans calling lyricism a bunch of words tryna match lines together with hardly any relevance to each other or poetic elements

Nas stans just smartdumb nikkaz

Illmatic being a lyrical masterpiece has to be the biggest lie perpetuated in hip hop of all time

 

[Omerta]

The word hater is overused so much.

OP however is the ultimate hater. I flat out don't know whether I should think he's a fakkit or just feel sad for him.

 

[The_Third_Man]

 

[mobbinfms]

the initial post addressed this... I dont got shyt to do for a few more hours... but listenin to this 39 minute album is taxing... shyts takin its toll


I'm the young city bandit, hold myself down singlehanded
For murder raps, I kick my thoughts alone, get remanded
Born alone, die alone, no crew to keep my crown or throne
I'm deep by sound alone, caved inside in a thousand miles from home

what is this 2nd line talkin about? What for murder raps? what is 'remanded' in this instance, nicca not even talkin about court... crews keep crowns/thrones? Ya not deep nicca, in the flesh or sound, ya shyt is as opposite of deep as there is. And again WTF are you talkin bout bein caved inside? Ya not makin sense.

I need a new nikka, for this black cloud to follow
Cause while it's over me it's too dark to see tomorrow

not bad

Trying to maintain, I flip, fill the clip to the tip
Picturin my peeps, now the income make my heartbeat skip
And I'm amped up, they locked the champ up, even my brain's in handcuffs
Headed for Indiana stabbin women like the Phantom

now we back to the bullshyt... how did we get to gun talk from the black cloud? How did we get to his "peeps", the income? WTF are you talkin about naS? WTF is this verse about? What champ got locked up? Yes, your brain is in cuffs, but is it lyrical? how did we get to goin to Indiana and stabbin betches? You everywhere on this one naS, but saying nothin.

The crew is lampin big Willie style
Check the chip toothed smile, plus I profile wild
Stash through the flock wools, burnin dollars to light my stove
Walk the blocks wit a bop, checkin Danes plus the games
people play, bust the problems of the world today

more non lyrical garbage... nicca just stringin words together...

Are there any good songs on illmatic?

He's saying he gets remanded for his murder raps.
He's commenting on how a person is on their own in life "born alone die alone". He's also saying he's the king.

The black cloud symbolizes struggle - so the next line is him discussing how he tries to "Maintain" but ends up flipping out and loading his weapon.
The champ and reference to Indiana I always assumed was a reference to Tyson and the rape case (which took place in Indiana).

You're not typing these lyrics up accurately. It's not "Flock wools" or Danes.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

He's saying he gets remanded for his murder raps.
He's commenting on how a person is on their own in life "born alone die alone". He's also saying he's the king.

The black cloud symbolizes struggle - so the next line is him discussing how he tries to "Maintain" but ends up flipping out and loading his weapon.
The champ and reference to Indiana I always assumed was a reference to Tyson and the rape case (which took place in Indiana).

You're not typing these lyrics up accurately. It's not "Flock wools" or Danes.

Dog the issue is not understanding the bullshyt that he writes, the issue is that what he writes is bullshyt. hes just piecing together incoherent bullshyt not even lyrically. Any ol nicca coulda gave you those weak ass bars, anyone.

Now, if you think this is powerful music thats another topic. but callin this shyt lyrical is a fukcin disservice to niccaz that really think and craft their bars. naS aint doin that hes just sayin anything that rhymes

 

[spliz]

Ra wasnt a story teller but described his scene. I never did elaborate on that. Kinda different from naS ramblin on wit bullshyt. Puttin 7 emcees in a line isnt lyricism sorry.

Ya fav rappers wouldnt be shyt if not for Ra...lol...matter of fact they would all give u the face and keep it pushin after seeing what u sayin...prolly wouldnt even explain why either...lol

 

[intilectual recipricol]

LUPE FIASCO CALLS NAS THE GREATEST - - HIPHOPNEWS24-7.COM - YouTube

Pac calls naS a weak rapper

Nas: Just understanding my warrior spirit. There is genius out there, when they go "Vote or Die" that's genius, but what's missing is that warrior spirit. There's is a whole different spirituality that goes with the warrior spirit that Patrice Lumumba, Malcolm X, that they died for. Muhammad Ali had that. Richard Pryor had the warrior spirit. That's what's missing from hip-hop, and the only one that had it was Pac. I'm nowhere near the mind state he was. The stuff that he wrote, he was 21 years old and here I am 31 years old, and I'm still nowhere as deep as Tupac.

 

[spliz]

Pac calls naS a weak rapper

Nas - VH1 Behind the Music 2pac Part - YouTube

Pac respected Nas' skills enough to bite his concept the same year...all the Outlaws was Nas fans including Pac....matter of fact Pac prolly respected Nas as an Emcee more than Biggie...

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

The word hater is overused so much.

OP however is the ultimate hater. I flat out don't know whether I should think he's a fakkit or just feel sad for him.

I feel bad for him. Creating 100s of Nas threads is the only way he can do to get attention

 

[bigesco]

Just because you dont understand it doesnt make it incoherent dumbass

stick to H to the izzo homo , this grown man music.

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Ya fav rappers wouldnt be shyt if not for Ra...lol...matter of fact they would all give u the face and keep it pushin after seeing what u sayin...prolly wouldnt even explain why either...lol

maybe, maybe not. niccaz act like Ra came and changed everything when its actually a bunch a niccaz that helped switch the style up... but just keep runnin wit whatever your favorite rappers think... no need to actually look at the shyt and form your own thought...

one of my favorite rappers thinks IWW is naS best shyt... and will tell you niccaz wasnt fukcin with no illmatic, but youll wanna ignore that when it doesnt suit your argument

 

[intilectual recipricol]

Just because you dont understand it doesnt make it incoherent dumbass

stick to H to the izzo homo , this grown man music.

nacho cheese, im castro

 

[spliz]

maybe, maybe not. niccaz act like Ra came and changed everything when its actually a bunch a niccaz that helped switch the style up... but just keep runnin wit whatever your favorite rappers think... no need to actually look at the shyt and form your own thought...

one of my favorite rappers thinks IWW is naS best shyt... and will tell you niccaz wasnt fukcin with no illmatic, but youll wanna ignore that when it doesnt suit your argument

Son im not even arguing with u cause I feel retarded even arguing this shyt..u already know what it is wit me g..lol...imma let u tho...

 

[mobbinfms]

Dog the issue is not understanding the bullshyt that he writes, the issue is that what he writes is bullshyt. hes just piecing together incoherent bullshyt not even lyrically. Any ol nicca coulda gave you those weak ass bars, anyone.

Now, if you think this is powerful music thats another topic. but callin this shyt lyrical is a fukcin disservice to niccaz that really think and craft their bars. naS aint doin that hes just sayin anything that rhymes

But, based on what you're writing, you don't understand the lyrics. I get how you would think its garbage - but its because you don't understand what he's saying.