Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

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Show me the full text so I can see what it says about the effects on blacks.

pg 219 Chapter 5 Employment and Wage Impacts of Immigration: Empirical Evidence

Since immigrants were disproportionately (relative to native-born workers) in the low-skilled category in the time periods examined, researchers expected larger impacts of immigration on the wages of low-skilled native-born blacks than whites because among low-skilled workers, native-born blacks are less skilled and otherwise disadvantaged compared to native-born whites. As noted above, Altonji and Card (1991) found adverse wage effects that were larger for blacks than whites. LaLonde and Topel (1991) also reported a negative effect for young (and hence inexperienced) native-born blacks, finding that a doubling in the number of new immigrants would decrease wages by a very modest 0.6 percent for young native-born black workers. Other studies for this period (e.g., Bean et al., 1988; Borjas, 1998) did not detect an effect for native-born blackworkers. Original analysis of Decennial Census data in The New Americanssuggested that one reason for this minimal measured impact was that—as of the mid-1990s—immigrants and the black population still largely resided in different geographic locations and therefore were not typically in direct competition for jobs (National Research Council, 1997, p. 223). Until recently, large proportions of the nation’s immigrants were concentrated in relatively few geographic areas, making the distinction between high- and low-immigration areas somewhat intuitive. However, relative to 20 or even 10 years ago, immigrants are now much more spatially diffused, so one should not assume that these historical relationships continue to hold.

Returning to the question of the impact of immigration on the wages of less-skilled natives, subsequent studies by Card (2001, 2005, 2009) concluded that—in line with previous findings other than Altonji and Card (1991)—the impact of immigration on the wages of less-skilled natives was modest for the various time periods considered in these studies

I will concede the bolded point though.
 

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pg 219 Chapter 5 Employment and Wage Impacts of Immigration: Empirical Evidence



I will concede the bolded point though.
In good faith, DM or give me a link to the full PDF. you've already misrepresented some things I've posted.

and yeah, your own data shows that there was an impact and continues to be one.

Cause they never stopped coming here illegally.

And we're talking about an impact of 30 years.
 

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In good faith, DM or give me a link to the full PDF. you've already misrepresented some things I've posted.

and yeah, your own data shows that there was an impact and continues to be one.

Cause they never stopped coming here illegally.

And we're talking about an impact of 30 years.

You can read the entire thing online for free, selectable table of contents, search, etc. https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/1

I never said there was no impact, my point has always been that the impact is not large enough for blacks or any other group to shift political ideology for. People (Trump for instance during the campaign) have been using single opinionated sources for talking points and have not been using full blown research.

Immigrants, legal and illegal aren't going to stop coming here but what this research shows is that there are many other factors in the wage and employment conversation that aren't being taken into account when we say illegals and legals are stealing our jobs.
 

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You can read the entire thing online for free, selectable table of contents, search, etc. https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/1

I never said there was no impact, my point has always been that the impact is not large enough for blacks or any other group to shift political ideology for. People (Trump for instance during the campaign) have been using single opinionated sources for talking points and have not been using full blown research.

Immigrants, legal and illegal aren't going to stop coming here but what this research shows is that there are many other factors in the wage and employment conversation that aren't being taken into account when we say illegals and legals are stealing our jobs.
Nah. I disagree.

I've seen more realistic accounts from actual workers who have issued lawsuits and filed complaints and I'm not trusting these weak stats.

Talk to black people. You are black, aren't you?

Black people ARE NOT in favor of illegals and we know they direct affect our stature in our own communities by way of opportunities on a macroeconomic scale.

You even agreed there IS an impact. Now you're diminishing it.

Fact is, if Dems are losing votes, we need to fix that.

Illegal aliens are a drag on the party, and don't reflect real American values.
 

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White racism was a large factor for people choosing Trump as their candidate.

Low voter turnout is why she lost in key areas and they can be directly attributed to what I listed.

Nice try though.

So you think racism is separate issue from immigration and you think economics is separate from immigration
 

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Nah. I disagree.

I've seen more realistic accounts from actual workers who have issued lawsuits and filed complaints and I'm not trusting these weak stats.

Talk to black people. You are black, aren't you?

Black people ARE NOT in favor of illegals and we know they direct affect our stature in our own communities by way of opportunities on a macroeconomic scale.

You even agreed there IS an impact. Now you're diminishing it.

Fact is, if Dems are losing votes, we need to fix that.

Illegal aliens are a drag on the party, and don't reflect real American values.

Black people overwhelmingly could care less about illegal immigrants, you're harping on cases in border states and attempting to use that as a measuring stick for the black community nationally.

I have multiple family members who work low wage/skilled jobs and they've never had to openly compete with illegal immigrants.

Dems are losing votes but focusing on immigration is a waste of time when you don't consider the other factors in regards to jobs and unemployment. It isn't as simple as let's stop talking about immigration so we can get our swing voters back. That's not the reason you lost them.

And if you're truly black you'd know no matter how successful you become you don't reflect "real American values" either.
 

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Black people overwhelmingly could care less about illegal immigrants, you're harping on cases in border states and attempting to use that as a measuring stick for the black community nationally..
I could list cases in every major city of why this is a problem.

You know, where blacks live?

I have multiple family members who work low wage/skilled jobs and they've never had to openly compete with illegal immigrants.
Because they don't know what they're NOT getting access to.
Dems are losing votes but focusing on immigration is a waste of time when you don't consider the other factors in regards to jobs and unemployment. It isn't as simple as let's stop talking about immigration so we can get our swing voters back. That's not the reason you lost them.

And if you're truly black you'd know no matter how successful you become you don't reflect "real American values" either
If its a factor, it matters.

Votes were lost because of this.

Illegals cause undue pressure to the labor market.

I've said repeatedly, that this will not fix everything.

Its one out of many courses of action.

Don't disrespect me by ignoring that statement. You're better than that.
 

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They lost the blue collar white vote

Republicans have somehow become the party for the white working class the past few years
 
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