Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

From your own link



From the same exit polling -illegal immigrants working in the u.s. should be: offered legal status 70%

You can't pull quotes without context from someone who read the fukking article.

This data demonstrates a key element in the politics of immigration.

National polls show majorities in support of granting legal status or citizenship to undocumented immigrants. The problem for those calling for the enactment of liberal policies, however, is that immigration is a voting issue for a minority of the electorate. And among those who say immigration is their top issue, opponents outnumber supporters by nearly two to one. In this respect, immigration is similar to gun control — both mobilize opponents more than supporters.

The Obama administration, in an attempt to assuage immigration critics, had in fact acted preemptively to forestall the problems that emerged for Democrats in the 2016 election. During the Obama years, the steady rise in the number of undocumented immigrants in this country came to a halt.


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[the next guy]

It certainly is. But our constitution still offers certain protection to immigrants (illegal or otherwise). That said, the concerns people have over illegal immigrants can be addressed by dealing with the issues themselves that lend to illegal immigrants affecting the job market.

This I can agree. My personal problem with deportations is that it's just driving the children into the hands of the drug dealers. People are talking about race and jobs but if some of these hollywood types in LA and Miami would stop buying cocaine and heroin there would not be an immigration crisis. That's the elephant in the room

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It certainly is. But our constitution still offers certain protection to immigrants (illegal or otherwise). That said, the concerns people have over illegal immigrants can be addressed by dealing with the issues themselves that lend to illegal immigrants affecting the job market.

Nah, bruh. You keep trying to do this one sided bullshyt.

Stop being soft. This is why Dems lose votes. You must be firm and thorough. You're afraid of cracking down on people. They deserve it. Being here illegally is a choice. Period.

Illegals MUST GO and employers should face harsher penalties.

You can't have one without the other.

And even still, illegals shouldn't be here, above and beyond behind hired

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This I can agree. My personal problem with deportations is that it's just driving the children into the hands of the drug dealers. People are talking about race and jobs but if some of these hollywood types in LA and Miami would stop buying cocaine and heroin there would not be an immigration crisis. That's the elephant in the room

Everyone has a story.

I'm not trying to hear it.

We're talking about 15-30 million people here.

The time for that hard-luck tale shyt was in the 80s.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

People need to stop conflating blacks, legal hispanics, etc with illegal. Remember being an illegal is a choice, probably what ticks so many people off.

they do it ALL the time.

Even white moderates get annoyed with democrats when they do that shyt.

Its only democrats who act like no one notices it.

Nah, we're here cause the GOP is just so much worse.

 

[acri1]

People need to stop conflating blacks, legal hispanics, etc with illegal. Remember being an illegal is a choice, probably what ticks so many people off.

Yall kill me thinking illegal immigrants are the main thing turning these voters off.

Muslims, BLM (which really just means black people in general), legal Hispanics, etc. are disliked just as much if not more. Hell, every time a cop murders a black person tons of these voters donate generously to their cause. You all are overestimating the importance of this one issue and missing the bigger picture about what's going on in the country.

 

[Pressure]

Nah, bruh. You keep trying to do this one sided bullshyt.

Stop being soft. This is why Dems lose votes. You must be firm and thorough. You're afraid of cracking down on people. They deserve it. Being here illegally is a choice. Period.

Illegals MUST GO and employers should face harsher penalties.

You can't have one without the other.

And even still, illegals shouldn't be here, above and beyond behind hired

You previously said that illegal immigrants should be offered a path to citizenship.

If illegal immigrants don't have jobs, they wouldn't come. If they couldn't get paid here, it wouldn't be worth it. If they don't make money coyote's wouldn't take the risk since they won't get paid.

Then your just back to a crime issue/drug smuggling issue.

Yelling ILLEGALS MUST GO isn't policy. It's not a plan. It's just rhetoric.

What amount of illegal immigrants "MUST GO" before workers see a benefit? How much will it cost? How many agents will you have to hire? Can the government afford those resources? Do we fire those agents once they're gone? Do we have enough qualified agents who can pass the clearance requirements? How many years will that take? How are you stopping illegal immigrants from coming back in getting jobs.

Your solution just sounds dumb because it has no meat. It's just platitudes.

 

[Oville]

I've been saying it for close to two years on here.

And we have more proof.

Blacks aren't going anywhere. Dems will always be "better" than the GOP for black people. Period. The GOP is just too racist.

White people are fickle and flighty...but these things will remain:

1. They're the numerical majority. There is no path forward without them. Period.
2. Illegals can NOT continue to be lionized. Its just pissing people off. How the Democrats Lost Their Way on Immigration https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-atlantic-how-the-democrats-lost-their-way-on-immigration.548665
3. Muslims are being treated like rare and special breeds of humans. They're not. And its pissing people off to keep acting like they are What’s Attracting Gay Men to the Fascist, White Nationalist Alt-Right?
4. Far leftists don't exist. They just don't. We/They are loud, but they don't exist. You live in cities (as do I) and can't win enough districts to change anything. Why did it work in the UK? Population Density. Pure and simple.

We can come up with a way to handle deportation a little more humanely, NOT HOW TRUMP DOES THINGS and reform immigration. But it must be done.

Muslims are getting way too much coddling in the west. And its pissing people off who can't see beyond that.

Look, we have great candidates doing almost everything right and they CANT win.

Thats not our fault.

People voted for a man who beat up a journalist.

Thy voted for a woman who told a lesbian to her face she wasn't capable of raising a kid and didn't respect her for being gay.

They voted for people who don't support liberal economics.

YOU CANT WIN BY GOING FURTHER LEFT.

CENTRISM MUST HOLD.

Dude if you really want to know how the Democrats can win back elections, you'd address the two biggest factors that caused these "blue wall" states to turn against Hilary and that's globalization and the prioritization of foreign issues over domestic. But you're such a fukking neo-liberal schill that you can't force yourself to address those issues because you love you some foreign intervention and free trade. Any reporting that was taken about the election can tell you that these were the primary reasons why the "Blue Wall" states turned to Trump because he actually sold them a bill of goods that he was gonna bring industries back. Instead though you'd rather the party focus on two demographic groups you're biased against when if you really wanted to address the issue with the Democrats, you'd consider that you might have to consider sacrificing these foreign agenda items you love so much.

 

[Pressure]

Immigration is largely a class issue or a racism issue.

You address the class issue by addressing the economic/labor policies that are creating these class divisions.

You don't entertain racists.

 

[the next guy]

Everyone has a story.

I'm not trying to hear it.

We're talking about 15-30 million people here.

The time for that hard-luck tale shyt was in the 80s.

Understood, but in order to enforce the border, there must a crackdown on illicit narcotics.

they do it ALL the time.

Even white moderates get annoyed with democrats when they do that shyt.

Its only democrats who act like no one notices it.

Nah, we're here cause the GOP is just so much worse.

Mostly true but...

Yall kill me thinking illegal immigrants are the main thing turning these voters off.

Muslims, BLM (which really just means black people in general), legal Hispanics, etc. are disliked just as much if not more. Hell, every time a cop murders a black person tons of these voters donate generously to their cause. You all are overestimating the importance of this one issue and missing the bigger picture about what's going on in the country.

Acri at anytime, close to half of Hispanics are republican. Some hispanic groups are majority republican. Muslims were also split prior to the current millennium. These groups are not dem strongholds and the party has to realize that. Dems used to be able to win prior to the Pelosi-Schumer-Reid gang getting in.

 

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[Pressure]

Dude if you really want to know how the Democrats can win back elections, you'd address the two biggest factors that caused these "blue wall" states to turn against Hilary and that's globalization and the prioritization of foreign issues over domestic. But you're such a fukking neo-liberal schill that you can't force yourself to address those issues because you love you some foreign intervention and free trade. Any reporting that was taken about the election can tell you that these were the primary reasons why the "Blue Wall" states turned to Trump because he actually sold them a bill of goods that he was gonna bring industries back. Instead though you'd rather the party focus on two demographic groups you're biased against when if you really wanted to address the issue with the Democrats, you'd consider that you might have to consider sacrificing these foreign agenda items you love so much.

You're right though.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You previously said that illegal immigrants should be offered a path to citizenship.
.

Some.

Most must go.

If illegal immigrants don't have jobs, they wouldn't come. If they couldn't get paid here, it wouldn't be worth it. If they don't make money coyote's wouldn't take the risk since they won't get paid.

They shouldn't be here anyways.

On top of employers not getting stiffer penalties.

Then your just back to a crime issue/drug smuggling issue.

Not my problemm. Keep 'em out.

Yelling ILLEGALS MUST GO isn't policy. It's not a plan. It's just rhetoric.

You're soft. Thats why you don't like the policy. And thats why people voted for Trump. Dems keep playing with this shyt.

What amount of illegal immigrants "MUST GO" before workers see a benefit?

When labor markets don't feel direct pressure anymore.

How much will it cost?

dunno

How many agents will you have to hire?

quite a bit. We've neglected this issue for almost 2 generations

Can the government afford those resources?

oh now you're worried about budget

Do we fire those agents once they're gone?

you fake-ass project manager

Do we have enough qualified agents who can pass the clearance requirements?

This is getting pathetic :jordanlmao:

How many years will that take? How are you stopping illegal immigrants from coming back in getting jobs.

already answered

Your solution just sounds dumb because it has no meat. It's just platitudes

Nah. Theres a solution. You just already said you don't see illegals as a threat to black livelihood, despite every major economist and study saying so on top of op-eds AND you're now asking me for border-agent training manuals :obamalmao:




Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.:KhaledUSmart:


Illegals gonna be shipped out in due time. And we'll be better for it.

The Dems can get votes back and we can focus on the welfare of American citizens.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Dude if you really want to know how the Democrats can win back elections, you'd address the two biggest factors that caused these "blue wall" states to turn against Hilary and that's globalization and the prioritization of foreign issues over domestic. But you're such a fukking neo-liberal schill that you can't force yourself to address those issues because you love you some foreign intervention and free trade. Any reporting that was taken about the election can tell you that these were the primary reasons why the "Blue Wall" states turned to Trump because he actually sold them a bill of goods that he was gonna bring industries back. Instead though you'd rather the party focus on two demographic groups you're biased against when if you really wanted to address the issue with the Democrats, you'd consider that you might have to consider sacrificing these foreign agenda items you love so much.

Dems would focus on jobs, but it won't relieve pressure from...















...illegals.

Construction workers in L.A. make less now than 40 years ago. Here's why


Oh, and black voters are on the front lines of this issue. So don't tell me "it doesn't matter"

My goal is to win back votes and seats. Not to change the entire GOP platform.


My muslim point was sheer optics.

 

[acri1]

Acri at anytime, close to half of Hispanics are republican. Some hispanic groups are majority republican. Muslims were also split prior to the current millennium. These groups are not dem strongholds and the party has to realize that. Dems used to be able to win prior to the Pelosi-Schumer-Reid gang getting in.

I actually agree that the groups aren't Dem strongholds, I just don't think that changing the rhetoric about them is going to win any "moderate" voters.

And the past environment was different than now. Obama's election pretty much made the alt-right mainstream which wasn't the case back in the day. So it's apples and oranges.


But I don't want people to think I'm making some pro-illegal immigration argument, I'm only arguing that the Dems won't benefit much from changing their position on it.