I'll say it...kyrie is just as good or better than steph

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At 22 years old.

Irving
PER: 21.6
Offensive Rating: 118
Defensive Rating: 109
Usage: 25.7
Win Shares: 8.9
TS%: .58
Real Plus Minus: 8.85

Curry
PER: 19.4
Offensive Rating: 113
Defensive Rating: 112
Usage: 24.4
Win Shares: 6.6
TS%: .59
Real Plus Minus: -.20
Kyrie's 4th year in the league compared to Curry's 2nd :francis:?
 

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Years in the league trump age breh (as far as comparisons work), no question

Here is an undeniable fact, Steph is better than Kyrie RIGHT now, which is what the premise of this thread was built on
Kyrie's 4th year in the league compared to Curry's 2nd :francis:?

Ok, i'll play that game.

4th year in the league

Irving
PER: 21.6
Offensive Rating: 118
Defensive Rating: 109
Usage: 25.7
Win Shares: 8.9
TS%: .58
Real Plus Minus: 8.85

Curry
PER: 21.3
Offensive Rating: 115
Defensive Rating: 107
Usage: 26.4
Win Shares: 11.2
TS%: .58
Real Plus Minus: 1.7

Curry's breakout year was his 5th year. That's when he became an All-Star.

Kyrie has done that 3 times in 4 years at a younger age. shyt he might of made it his rookie year if they would have allowed it.
 

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Ok, i'll play that game.

4th year in the league

Irving
PER: 21.6
Offensive Rating: 118
Defensive Rating: 109
Usage: 25.7
Win Shares: 8.9
TS%: .58
Real Plus Minus: 8.85

Curry
PER: 21.3
Offensive Rating: 115
Defensive Rating: 107
Usage: 26.4
Win Shares: 11.2
TS%: .58
Real Plus Minus: 1.7

Curry's breakout year was his 5th year. That's when he became an All-Star.

Kyrie has done that 3 times in 4 years at a younger age. shyt he might of made it his rookie year if they would have allowed it.
We have to use the full season, though Irving does look better than Curry in his 4th year. But i still don't think Irving is carrying a team to 49 wins in the West and then knocking out a 56 win Denver team in the 1st round.

Irving can't even run an offense, Lebron had to take over the PG duties because Kyrie was incapable.
 

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I understand hmthat Kyrie is 22 but so what:manny:? He's not the type of player where I think he has infinite potential like an Andrew Wiggins or a Anthony Davis. When I hear "Well Kyrie is only 22" I can't help but roll my eyes. He just seems like a players who was more polished early on. I think his greatest improvement will come just by getting smarter but I don't really see him getting that much better at shooting and finishing because he's already so good at those skills. From a skills and even physical perspective KI's potential seems maxed out imo:manny:. Just needs to work on the mental aspect so he just doesn't end up never improving
 

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We have to use the full season, though Irving does look better than Curry in his 4th year. But i still don't think Irving is carrying a team to 49 wins in the West and then knocking out a 56 win Denver team in the 1st round.

Irving can't even run an offense, Lebron had to take over the PG duties because Kyrie was incapable.

Those are full season stats.

Everything else you typed is your own personal belief.

The offense runs through LeBron. That's where he's comfortable and that's one of the many things he is best at.

He is the best player in the world.

Kyrie can definitely improve as a playmaker/passer. He's a natural skilled scorer. There is really no need to change how he plays on offense.

The only question they had going into the season was if he could play off the ball. He's proven he can this season.
 
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