If you're the Falcons: Justin Fields or Jayden Daniels

[Samori Toure]

Those passing numbers aren't good and there's a big gap between 61% and 66% over the course of a full or near-full season.

So your comment is that those passing numbers are not good. What you are not getting is that he only played in 12 1/2 games. He missed 4 1/2 games due to an injured thumb. Those othe guys with the great numbers played in 15 or more games.

That is why I am saying folks can't be knee jerk. You have to look between the numbers. Also the Bears just cut loose the worst OC in the NFL.

 

[Shadow King]

So your comment is that those passing numbers are not good. What you are not getting is that he only played in 12 1/2 games. He missed 4 1/2 games due to an injured thumb. Those othe guys with the great numbers played in 15 or more games.

I perfectly get it, reading raw total stats is not a complex task. I don't need you to repeat yourself about missed games, my comment is based on numbers you brought up for games he played.

Per 17 games: 3350 yards, 22 TD/12 INT on 61.4%. Those aren't the saving grace numbers you're trying to make them in order to educate or defend him against anybody saying he's bad.

 

[O.iatlhawksfan]

 

[Samori Toure]

I perfectly get it, reading raw total stats is not a complex task. I don't need you to repeat yourself about missed games, my comment is based on numbers you brought up for games he played.

Per 17 games: 3350 yards, 22 TD/12 INT on 61.4%. Those aren't the saving grace numbers you're trying to make them in order to educate or defend him against anybody saying he's bad.

Excuse me sir you quoted me. Since you quoted me I am entitled to give you my take. My take is that your take is a biased one and you start from the position that Fields is a bad quarterback snd then you fill in your biased thoughts with data that supports your thoughts, without factoring in any other variables such as who he plays with. How many games he played in and the basic offensive philosophy of the Chicago staff. None of this stuff is apples to apples so you can't compare a quarterback's production in a pass heavy attack to a quarterback's production in a run heavy or more balanced attack. Your position seems to be that since he didn't throw for this many yards then he is a bum. My position is that based upon what they asked him to do he wasn't that bad. His biggest attribute is that he doesn't turn the ball over.

 

[Shadow King]

Excuse me sir you quoted me. Since you quoted me I am entitled to give you my take. My take is that your take is a biased one and you start from the position that Fields is a bad quarterback snd then you fill in your biased thoughts with data that supports your thoughts, without factoring in any other variables such as who he plays with. How many games he played in and the basic offensive philosophy of the Chicago staff. None of this stuff is apples to apples so you can't compare a quarterback's production in a pass heavy attack to a quarterback's production in a run heavy or more balanced attack. Your position seems to be that since he didn't throw for this many yards then he is a bum. My position is that based upon what they asked him to do he wasn't that bad. His biggest attribute is that he doesn't turn the ball over.

Why are you telling me who quoted who? When I did tell you that you can't give any take?

Show me where I said he's a bum. I said the numbers you presented don't necessarily save him or paint an opposing picture from the reputation he has. All the factors you're trying to slide in are not numbers, which is the form of data YOU chose to use as your argument. I simply expanded them to a Per 17 format.

I'm not the biased person in this conversation. You're stanning your team's QB and coming off very soft by jumping to conclusions based on nothing because I never wrote anything about how good or bad Fields is, and I dare you to the post in this thread where I did.

 

[Samori Toure]

Why are you telling me who quoted who? When I did tell you that you can't give any take?

Show me where I said he's a bum. I said the numbers you presented don't necessarily save him or paint an opposing picture from the reputation he has. All the factors you're trying to slide in are not numbers, which the form of data YOU chose to use as your argument. I simply expanded them to a Pet 17 format.

I'm not the biased person in this conversation. You're stanning your team's QB and coming off very soft by jumping to conclusions based on nothing because I never wrote anything about how good or bad Fields is, and I dare you to the post in this thread where I did.

You original statement quoting me was that his passing stats were not good. 16 touchdown to 9 interceptions is good. Having less interceptions than most of the elite quartbacks in the league is good. Your focus for saying his numbers were not good was his completion percentage. Well what quarterback couldn't throw 65% throwing a bunch of screen passes or 4 yard hitches to guys that are capable of taking it to the house. We'll Fields doesn't play with those typ of guys.

I am not stanning him. I am giving an objective look at his numbers and the team around him.

 

[Shadow King]

You original statement quoting me was that his passing stats were not good. 16 touchdown to 9 interceptions is good. Having less interceptions than most of the elite quartbacks in the league is good. Your focus for saying his numbers were not good was his completion percentage. Well what quarterback couldn't throw 65% throwing a bunch of screen passes or 4 yard hitches to guys that are capable of taking it to the house. We'll Fields doesn't play with those typ of guys.

I am not stanning him. I am giving an objective look at his numbers and the team around him.

Because 16 touchdowns and 9 picks in 13 games is not good. It is not bad, but does not meet "good". His completion percentage is flat out not good.

You are stanning him and unable to be objective.

 

[Boonapalist]

In 13 games Fields had 20 touchdowns passing and rushing, 9 interceptions, and 4 fumbles lost with a 61.4 completion percentage. Those numbers aren’t good no matter how you try and spin it.

You could say your eye test tells you he has the potential to do more but is being held back by the Bears organization. But his numbers ain’t it.

 

[YoungSimpson]

That's a garbage ass Cac QB. It's Sam Howell and Mark Tribusky all over again.

All jokes aside is Howell really that bad? I didn't watch a single Washington game this year. I thought he was leading in yards most of the year. What's the problem with him?

 

[jwonder]

All jokes aside is Howell really that bad? I didn't watch a single Washington game this year. I thought he was leading in yards most of the year. What's the problem with him?

Decision making. Lots of bone head INTS. 21 picks on the year.

 

[IsThatBrothaMouzone?]

The fact that the Bears only have two competent pass catchers (Moore and Kmet) and they fired their bum offensive coordinator and basically the entire offensive staff should indicate that Fields is not that bad.

Was watching the news yesterday and a reporter mentioned that Bears players were (off-the-record) saying that Justin is legit...insinuating that the problem was the OC. All his teammates think he has "it" but the coaching isn't there.

Bears aren't giving him up without decent compensation.

Either way, they have a chance to do good shyt. Think they have Pick #1 and #9? Bears should take a BIG step forward no matter what. Cannot fukk this up.

 

[MikelArteta]

Jayden daniels wasn't impressive at all to me. If he's good I'd rather he show me that as a 2nd round or lower pick than burn a 1st and risk him flaming out

The qb quality in teh nfl is at an all time low. I won't be shocked if 5 qbs go in the first round

 

[BrehWyatt]

Fields to the Steelers

Depending on who their OC, I would love this for him and I can't really stand the Steelers like that.

 

[#1 pick]

Fields because i don't want to spend a 1st rounder on a QB. Go get Dallas Turner or Latu

 

[BrehWyatt]

Was watching the news yesterday and a reporter mentioned that Bears players were (off-the-record) saying that Justin is legit...insinuating that the problem was the OC. All his teammates think he has "it" but the coaching isn't there.

Bears aren't giving him up without decent compensation.

Either way, they have a chance to do good shyt. Think they have Pick #1 and #9? Bears should take a BIG step forward no matter what. Cannot fukk this up.

For as bad as Fields is considered to be -- and he does have a good bit to improve on, mainly speeding up his reads/decision making -- DJ Moore and Cole Kmet quite literally just had the best years of their careers. In that offense, and no one considered that offensive scheme to be the reason for said success.

So something's there to work with. I don't see Chicago getting the desired return on Fields as far as compensation and it doesn't sounds like Fields is a locker-room cancer type that needs to go by any means necessary (in fact, it seems the complete opposite), so it almost doesn't seem worth trading him when you're in position to set it up to where there's no excuse for him not to take a step forward, even though having to learn his third offensive system in four years is less than ideal.