If you honestly think LEBRON aint better than KOBE in every way, then you're retarded

[Swagnificent]

Here we go with the all inclusive, never failing PER-pushing stat guy.

I think these Kobe/LeBron debates really lets you know the difference between guys who have played basketball in real life and those who were never good enough and only spend their time reading box scores. How anyone can say something stupid like LeBron can score in more ways than Kobe cause he shoots a higher FG% is retarded.

Kobe Bryant's game is predicated on skill, hence his ability of score from all over the floor in a myriad of ways. I'm talking post-up, mid-range, 3-point shot, inside, outside, everything. LeBron's game is predicated on his freakish athleticism which has never been seen before. He can basically get to the basket at will and score.

However, this method of scoring doesn't translate at all times of the game. Sure its one thing to score off transition and inside the paint in the first quarter but it sure is another thing to do that late in the game when the entire defense is trying to stop you and you alone. In those situations, it exposes the main difference between LeBron and Kobe and why Kobe is without a doubt the better scorer. No GM or coach would give the ball to LeBron late in the game. Coaches and GMs don't care about fg% because they know that you ain't getting layups or transition points in the last couple of plays in the 4th quarter. Your also not going to get open mid-range or 3-point shots. You need someone who can create his own shot from outside the paint and score over multiple defenders if need be.

That is why Kobe is universally selected over LeBron when it comes to who you want with the ball in the closing minutes. Kobe can score in almost any and every way imaginable. While LeBron is limited to attacking the basket, getting transition points, or hitting uncontested jumpers. That can work for 3 and a half quarters because defenses don't key in on one player until late in the 4th. But once crunch time comes, it exposes the difference between Kobe and LeBron and shows why Kobe is definitely the better scorer.

Regardless of what the box score says.

 

[ThugLife]

don't believe it

never heard a nikka at the barber shop start dropping per by the age of 27 in any argument about whose better between Kobe and LeBron

you're a white boy....case closed

ok cool

 

[Swagnificent]

no one even compares Bron to Kobe anymore, that ship has sailed... the only really measuring stick from Bron is whether or not he'll continue to ball at this pace and eventually be mentioned in the same breath as MJ... not saying he'll ever equal or surpass MJ, but the only thing left for Lebron to do is cement himself as the #2 GOAT and be mentioned on some "there was Mike, Bron, and everyone else" type shyt

Kobe stans are delusional... his career numbers are about even across the board with D.Wade's, yet they try to elevate him into the MJ/Bron stratosphere

here is what I don't get......does anyone know Magic or Bird's career stats w/o looking them up?

if all you judge players by is their stat lines then you should stick to baseball white boy


I swear these threads expose more crakkkas on this site than anyone else. When the last time ya'll ever heard nikkas dropping career averages in any basketball debate. Only numbers that matter are championships and what you did to get those championships.

 

[Swagnificent]

ok cool

I'm just keepin it 100. Never in my life have I met any black man who has based his arguments on a made-up stat. Only white boys care about shyt like that. Black folks play sports so we can tell the difference between who can play and who can't. You crakkkas ain't never played the game in your life so all you can base it on is what someone else says (hence your over reliance on made-up stats like PER).

 

[itskontos]

I hate both teams.......

LeBron is more of a well rounded athlete and will whoop Kobe.

 

[King Theo]

To be fair, no one who has ever watched basketball would say the shyt that you just said. Not even LeBron, it was just straight up laughable. I'm not even arguing about who is better right now. But that statement you made was one of the worst in the thread.

What's hilarious in all of this is that LeBron fans always want to point out career numbers as if there's not a major difference there. They never want to point out what they were like at specific ages. LeBron vs. Kobe from 18-20 easily favors LeBron. From 21 onward you have a debate at every single interval. But they won't do that. There are other guys who have close PPG averages to Kobe who are nowhere near his stratosphere at his peak. The D. Wade argument is the funniest one because all you guys want to do is AGAIN, point our career numbers which include Kobe red-shirting instead of talking about how good they were at specific intervals in their careers.

That's why guys like Hacksaw aren't taken seriously. I can make an argument for either guy, but fronting like the numbers tell the entire story is a joke. D. Wade at his peak was comparable to both Kobe and LeBron, that was the top 3, but guys want to holler at career numbers to act like he was never there.

I think these Kobe/LeBron debates really lets you know the difference between guys who have played basketball in real life and those who were never good enough and only spend their time reading box scores. How anyone can say something stupid like LeBron can score in more ways than Kobe cause he shoots a higher FG% is retarded.

Kobe Bryant's game is predicated on skill, hence his ability of score from all over the floor in a myriad of ways. I'm talking post-up, mid-range, 3-point shot, inside, outside, everything. LeBron's game is predicated on his freakish athleticism which has never been seen before. He can basically get to the basket at will and score.

However, this method of scoring doesn't translate at all times of the game. Sure its one thing to score off transition and inside the paint in the first quarter but it sure is another thing to do that late in the game when the entire defense is trying to stop you and you alone. In those situations, it exposes the main difference between LeBron and Kobe and why Kobe is without a doubt the better scorer. No GM or coach would give the ball to LeBron late in the game. Coaches and GMs don't care about fg% because they know that you ain't getting layups or transition points in the last couple of plays in the 4th quarter. Your also not going to get open mid-range or 3-point shots. You need someone who can create his own shot from outside the paint and score over multiple defenders if need be.

That is why Kobe is universally selected over LeBron when it comes to who you want with the ball in the closing minutes. Kobe can score in almost any and every way imaginable. While LeBron is limited to attacking the basket, getting transition points, or hitting uncontested jumpers. That can work for 3 and a half quarters because defenses don't key in on one player until late in the 4th. But once crunch time comes, it exposes the difference between Kobe and LeBron and shows why Kobe is definitely the better scorer.

Regardless of what the box score says.

basically both of these should end the thread. i sometimes wonder if any of you actually played any of the sports you post about.

 

[YBE]

no one even compares Bron to Kobe anymore, that ship has sailed... the only really measuring stick from Bron is whether or not he'll continue to ball at this pace and eventually be mentioned in the same breath as MJ... not saying he'll ever equal or surpass MJ, but the only thing left for Lebron to do is cement himself as the #2 GOAT and be mentioned on some "there was Mike, Bron, and everyone else" type shyt





Kobe stans are delusional... his career numbers are about even across the board with D.Wade's, yet they try to elevate him into the MJ/Bron stratosphere

at you tryna put Bron in there with MJ like you slick.........nikka, Bron's numbers not touching MJ

 

[Gravity]

Kobe's midrange jumper is Aquafina

Bron is nowhere near as a good a shooter as Kobe, he's a better decision maker, there's a difference. Kobe's jumper is ridiculous. The reason why it doesn't show in the numbers is because he knows it's ridiculous and has unshakeable faith in it and thusly he takes bad shots.

This is just a fallacy that's not backed up by the facts. I suspect that you know that which is why you dismiss the facts using that "he just takes bad shots" copout. Kobe is a streaky jump shooter, his midrange is a little more consistent that his 3 point shot but it's still streaky. To say that Lebron's midrange jumper is nowhere near as good is just silly.

Top 25 Mid-Range Shooters (9/2011)

The FGA and FG% are for mid-range shots.

RANK NAME TEAM POS FGA FG% PSAMS-MR
1 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 4 13.3 50.4% 2.25
2 Al Horford ATL 5 10.0 49.0% 1.39
3 Elton Brand PHI 4 10.7 46.7% 1.19
4 Luke Ridnour MIN 1 7.0 47.1% 1.10
5 Beno Udrih SAC 1 6.8 47.1% 1.08
6 Steve Nash PHO 1 7.7 46.8% 1.08
7 LeBron James MIA 3 9.5 45.3% 1.08
8 David West NOR 4 12.7 45.7% 0.99
9 Stephen Curry GSW 1 8.1 45.7% 0.92
10 Anthony Morrow NJN 2 6.4 46.9% 0.87
11 Kevin Garnett BOS 4 10.3 44.7% 0.75
12 Luis Scola HOU 4 13.2 44.7% 0.73
13 Chris Paul NOR 1 8.1 44.4% 0.72
14 Jason Terry DAL 2 9.4 44.7% 0.71
15 Pau Gasol LAL 4 9.9 44.4% 0.71
16 Brandon Bass ORL 4 8.8 44.3% 0.70
17 Ray Allen BOS 2 5.7 47.4% 0.67
18 Sasha Vujacic NJN 2 6.8 44.1% 0.63
19 Paul Millsap UTH 4 9.1 44.0% 0.63
20 Chris Bosh MIA 4 10.8 43.5% 0.50
21 Jamal Crawford ATL 2 6.7 43.3% 0.49
22 Tony Parker SAS 1 8.6 43.0% 0.48
23 Amare Stoudemire NYK 4 13.5 43.7% 0.46
24 Deron Williams UTH 1 6.3 42.9% 0.46
25 Joe Johnson ATL 2 9.7 43.3% 0.44

Last season stats:

10-15 feet
Kobe 42%
Lebron 47%

16-23 feet
Kobe 41%
Lebron 39%

To be fair, no one who has ever watched basketball would say the shyt that you just said. Not even LeBron, it was just straight up laughable. I'm not even arguing about who is better right now. But that statement you made was one of the worst in the thread.

What's hilarious in all of this is that LeBron fans always want to point out career numbers as if there's not a major difference there. They never want to point out what they were like at specific ages. LeBron vs. Kobe from 18-20 easily favors LeBron. From 21 onward you have a debate at every single interval. But they won't do that. There are other guys who have close PPG averages to Kobe who are nowhere near his stratosphere at his peak. The D. Wade argument is the funniest one because all you guys want to do is AGAIN, point our career numbers which include Kobe red-shirting instead of talking about how good they were at specific intervals in their careers.

That's why guys like Hacksaw aren't taken seriously. I can make an argument for either guy, but fronting like the numbers tell the entire story is a joke. D. Wade at his peak was comparable to both Kobe and LeBron, that was the top 3, but guys want to holler at career numbers to act like he was never there.

You're not being fair talking out of your ass. You don't speak for anyone but yourself, so you saying that no one would say what I said means absolutely nothing. Thats just something that mental midgets say when they don't like what's been said but aren't smart enough to counter it. Reading this essay worth of drivel, I don't see an intelligent counter to what I said. Why don't try again, and this time refute what I said instead of copping out like a little kid who's read something that hurt his feelings.

10 seconds left.....entire defense keys in on you......who would you rather have with the ball?

Ray Allen is also a more efficient scorer than Kobe but he's not a better pure scorer because he can't create a shot out of nothing like Kobe. Kobe's the best pure scorer in NBA history. Even above MJ cause he got the 3-point shot in addition to the mid-range, post-up, and inside shot.

LeBron is only better at getting to the basket, hence the higher FG%. But he is not a better scorer than Kobe cause he can't score from the mid-range, post, or 3-point line like Kobe.

That is why when the game is on the line and the entire defense keys on one player, Kobe is the guy who always takes the last shot while LeBron passes it up. Its easy to get layups and transition points in the first quarter. Its alot more difficult when there is 10 seconds left in the game.

Lebron averaging more points in a more efficient rate makes him a better scorer. None of what you fanboys are saying makes any sense. Your Ray Allen analogy is just dumb. Ray Allen isn't Lebron, is he?

 

[mastermind]

Top 25 Mid-Range Shooters (9/2011)

The FGA and FG% are for mid-range shots.

RANK NAME TEAM POS FGA FG% PSAMS-MR
1 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 4 13.3 50.4% 2.25
2 Al Horford ATL 5 10.0 49.0% 1.39
3 Elton Brand PHI 4 10.7 46.7% 1.19
4 Luke Ridnour MIN 1 7.0 47.1% 1.10
5 Beno Udrih SAC 1 6.8 47.1% 1.08
6 Steve Nash PHO 1 7.7 46.8% 1.08
7 LeBron James MIA 3 9.5 45.3% 1.08
8 David West NOR 4 12.7 45.7% 0.99
9 Stephen Curry GSW 1 8.1 45.7% 0.92
10 Anthony Morrow NJN 2 6.4 46.9% 0.87
11 Kevin Garnett BOS 4 10.3 44.7% 0.75
12 Luis Scola HOU 4 13.2 44.7% 0.73
13 Chris Paul NOR 1 8.1 44.4% 0.72
14 Jason Terry DAL 2 9.4 44.7% 0.71
15 Pau Gasol LAL 4 9.9 44.4% 0.71
16 Brandon Bass ORL 4 8.8 44.3% 0.70
17 Ray Allen BOS 2 5.7 47.4% 0.67
18 Sasha Vujacic NJN 2 6.8 44.1% 0.63
19 Paul Millsap UTH 4 9.1 44.0% 0.63
20 Chris Bosh MIA 4 10.8 43.5% 0.50
21 Jamal Crawford ATL 2 6.7 43.3% 0.49
22 Tony Parker SAS 1 8.6 43.0% 0.48
23 Amare Stoudemire NYK 4 13.5 43.7% 0.46
24 Deron Williams UTH 1 6.3 42.9% 0.46
25 Joe Johnson ATL 2 9.7 43.3% 0.44

Last season stats:

10-15 feet
Kobe 42%
Lebron 47%

16-23 feet
Kobe 41%
Lebron 39%

this is what I was speaking of earlier about dudes not actually looking at the numbers

Kobe took 4 more attempts a game in those areas than Lebron.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

here is what I don't get......does anyone know Magic or Bird's career stats w/o looking them up?

if all you judge players by is their stat lines then you should stick to baseball white boy


I swear these threads expose more crakkkas on this site than anyone else. When the last time ya'll ever heard nikkas dropping career averages in any basketball debate. Only numbers that matter are championships and what you did to get those championships.

So Bill Russell is the undisputed GOAT then, right?

 

[Gravity]

this is what I was speaking of earlier about dudes not actually looking at the numbers

Kobe took 4 more attempts a game in those areas than Lebron.

Ok and? Kobe takes more jumper shots than Lebron because he's not as good in scoring in other ways as Lebron is. That's my point. Lebron doesn't have to rely on his jumpshot as much as Kobe does because he's more effective getting points in other ways. Whether that's running the floor, moving without the ball, crashing the offensive boards, driving to the cup, ect. This is simple, yet some of you don't get it.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

at you tryna put Bron in there with MJ like you slick.........nikka, Bron's numbers not touching MJ

When did I say they were? I said Kobe stans try to elevate him to LeBron and Jordan level (never said MJ and Bron were on the same level ) when both are clearly superior in any imaginable statistic assessment. Kobe is compared to those two most often on here, thats why I mentioned them in the same breath; not because theyre equal.

 

[Juven]

Give me Kobe. You just cant measure what he brings to the court.

He also has that killer instinct, and that's something you cant teach

 

[mastermind]

Ok and? Kobe takes more jumper shots than Lebron because he's not as good in scoring in other ways as Lebron is.

well this is untrue

Kobe takes more jumpers because he has always been a jumpshooter and an excellent one at that.

Kobe's problem has always been he takes bad shots. Sometimes because of the shot clock, sometime because he is an a$$hole. But Kobe is a better jumpshooter than Lebron. You showing those percentages does not say anything because all you have to do is watch the two play.

That's my point. Lebron doesn't have to rely on his jumpshot as much as Kobe does because he's more effective getting points in other ways. Whether that's running the floor, moving without the ball, crashing the offensive boards, driving to the cup, ect. This is simple, yet some of you don't get it.

Lebron doesnt rely on jumpers like Kobe because he can bulldoze his way to the basket against any defender. HE also has to do that because when he takes more jumpers, his efficiency goes down along with his shooting percentage.


Kobe will always be a better and more varied scorer than Lebron.

 

[FTBS]

This is just a fallacy that's not backed up by the facts. I suspect that you know that which is why you dismiss the facts using that "he just takes bad shots" copout. Kobe is a streaky jump shooter, his midrange is a little more consistent that his 3 point shot but it's still streaky. To say that Lebron's midrange jumper is nowhere near as good is just silly.

Top 25 Mid-Range Shooters (9/2011)

The FGA and FG% are for mid-range shots.

RANK NAME TEAM POS FGA FG% PSAMS-MR
1 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 4 13.3 50.4% 2.25
2 Al Horford ATL 5 10.0 49.0% 1.39
3 Elton Brand PHI 4 10.7 46.7% 1.19
4 Luke Ridnour MIN 1 7.0 47.1% 1.10
5 Beno Udrih SAC 1 6.8 47.1% 1.08
6 Steve Nash PHO 1 7.7 46.8% 1.08
7 LeBron James MIA 3 9.5 45.3% 1.08
8 David West NOR 4 12.7 45.7% 0.99
9 Stephen Curry GSW 1 8.1 45.7% 0.92
10 Anthony Morrow NJN 2 6.4 46.9% 0.87
11 Kevin Garnett BOS 4 10.3 44.7% 0.75
12 Luis Scola HOU 4 13.2 44.7% 0.73
13 Chris Paul NOR 1 8.1 44.4% 0.72
14 Jason Terry DAL 2 9.4 44.7% 0.71
15 Pau Gasol LAL 4 9.9 44.4% 0.71
16 Brandon Bass ORL 4 8.8 44.3% 0.70
17 Ray Allen BOS 2 5.7 47.4% 0.67
18 Sasha Vujacic NJN 2 6.8 44.1% 0.63
19 Paul Millsap UTH 4 9.1 44.0% 0.63
20 Chris Bosh MIA 4 10.8 43.5% 0.50
21 Jamal Crawford ATL 2 6.7 43.3% 0.49
22 Tony Parker SAS 1 8.6 43.0% 0.48
23 Amare Stoudemire NYK 4 13.5 43.7% 0.46
24 Deron Williams UTH 1 6.3 42.9% 0.46
25 Joe Johnson ATL 2 9.7 43.3% 0.44

Last season stats:

10-15 feet
Kobe 42%
Lebron 47%

16-23 feet
Kobe 41%
Lebron 39%
You're not being fair talking out of your ass. You don't speak for anyone but yourself, so you saying that no one would say what I said means absolutely nothing. Thats just something that mental midgets say when they don't like what's been said but aren't smart enough to counter it. Reading this essay worth of drivel, I don't see an intelligent counter to what I said. Why don't try again, and this time refute what I said instead of copping out like a little kid who's read something that hurt his feelings.Lebron averaging more points in a more efficient rate makes him a better scorer. None of what you fanboys are saying makes any sense. Your Ray Allen analogy is just dumb. Ray Allen isn't Lebron, is he?

Do those stats account for whether or not a player is covered or falling out of bounds? Kobe takes way more contested and higher degree of difficulty jumpers than Bron. I'm not defending this behavior because I actually think it hurts his team but that doesn't change the fact that his jumper is better than Bron's.