IF U DONT THINK MAC DRE IS A GOAT EMCEE, THIS MIGHT CHANGE YA MIND

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Can you present your position, what lead you to this assessment?
If you're a GOAT level MC, nobody should need to post 7-8 songs to convince me. I'm gonna hear 1 or 2 and actually WANT more. Not look for more to TRY and hear what yall are hearing.

If you place him as one of your favorites, fine, cause I can hear that "entertainment value" in him, but saying he's better than/on the same tier as

Nas
Jay
Cube
Biggie
Pac
Face
Rakim
Kane
Ghostface
Common
3000
LL
DMX
Big Boi
Meth
Rae
Mos
GZA
Snoop
50
Jeezy
T.I.

And probably a few others I'm forgetting would be objectively false. Finding him entertaining and placing him a GOAT are 2 different things.
 

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If you're a GOAT level MC, nobody should need to post 7-8 songs to convince me. I'm gonna hear 1 or 2 and actually WANT more. Not look for more to TRY and hear what yall are hearing.

If you place him as one of your favorites, fine, cause I can hear that "entertainment value" in him, but saying he's better than/on the same tier as

Nas
Jay
Cube
Biggie
Pac
Face
Rakim
Kane
Ghostface
Common
3000
LL
DMX
Big Boi
Meth
Rae
Mos
GZA
Snoop
50
Jeezy
T.I.

And probably a few others I'm forgetting would be objectively false. Finding him entertaining and placing him a GOAT are 2 different things.




LMFAO @ JEEZY, 50 CENT, TI, DMX

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You nikkas are fukking retarded and have no objectivity. Ever nikka in here talking bout Mac Dre is a top 5 or 10 emcee:mjlol: is out they goddamn mind and clearly has to be from the Yay area.

This is not an indictment on Mac Dre at all, he's a dope MC, one of the funniest and best personalities, and a Legend in the game, albeit regional. But the way y'all stanning ass nikkas be trying to overrate him is despicable.

Furthermore, that beat on that song was one of the wackest hip hop beats ever.

*Thizzle Dances out of thread*
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I'm not gonna lie.... I didn't even know he was on like that until after he died. First time hearing him was recording from jail on Mac Mall's Illegal Business. I backtracked and instantly became a fan after hearing his last 4 albums.

I'm also not gonna lie.... I have him in my personal top 10 for the same reasons I have Suga Free in my personal Top 10. He had his own lane with his own style and his own choice of beats, he's lyrically witty, he mastered the shyt and his music leaves me highly entertained.

I mean, are there more ultra top tier super lyrically lyrical rappers? Yeah. But I got them in another list. Folks that are more popular? Yep. We can debate that kind of shyt til the cows come home.

Are there rappers/hip hop artists that dropped 3-4 albums back to back that left me as impressed and entertained as Mac Dre's last 4? Outside of Ghostface, Nas, and possibly Scarface, definitely not.
 

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If you're a GOAT level MC, nobody should need to post 7-8 songs to convince me. I'm gonna hear 1 or 2 and actually WANT more. Not look for more to TRY and hear what yall are hearing.

If you place him as one of your favorites, fine, cause I can hear that "entertainment value" in him, but saying he's better than/on the same tier as

Nas
Jay
Cube
Biggie
Pac
Face
Rakim
Kane
Ghostface
Common
3000
LL
DMX
Big Boi
Meth
Rae
Mos
GZA
Snoop
50
Jeezy
T.I.

And probably a few others I'm forgetting would be objectively false. Finding him entertaining and placing him a GOAT are 2 different things.
Let me know when you're on so we can address this thoroughly -

You're basically saying that ignorance is just as good as knowledge

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.".Stop.


We're talking about greatests of all-time, not a popularity contest.


Go compare a marketing budget, if you want to be just another click.


Here's the rappers from your list that Mac Dre is unequivocally ranked above, and if you want to debate this from your point of ignorance it would basically be an exhibition of bullying on my part.


Biggie - I'm sorry your boy died after three years, he had a lot of potential. Notice Pun and Big L aren't on your list? Oh, they weren't the first to come to mind huh? - but if you think two albums is qualification for GOAT tier you are ground zero of publication-based marketing. Nobody would rank The Game as so after The Doctor's Advocate, GOAT discussions don't happen after two albums unless Puffy is profiting off your estate. Sorry to break that paradigm for you.

Snoop - putting a rapper on your list that is known to of had ghostwriters throughout his career is only a shot at your own credibility.


50 Cent - Mac Dre's catalog towers over 50 Cent's. I"m a staunch supporter of 50 Cent, I've met him on more than one occasion - good luck putting together 5 double disc Best Of compilations that STILL do not show all of the career highlights. If you were showing somebody 50 Cent's work you wouldn't have 5 standout tracks from the same album just because they CAN'T go without mention



LL . . . legend, but Def Jam's Will Smith

Jeezy and T.I. aren't even in the same tier


These are just the easy ones, I'm sharpshooting here. There's a few other names on your list that we can go into extensive debates over before I show you why Mac Dre ranks well-above them.


The issue is that you're clinging to paradigms and you make the mistake of assuming your ignorance on a subject to be just as valuable as knowledge on a subject.
 
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Let me know when you're on so we can address this thoroughly -

You're basically saying that ignorance is just as good as knowledge

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.".Stop.


We're talking about greatests of all-time, not a popularity contest.


Go compare a marketing budget, if you want to be just another click.
It sounds like you're trying to guilt me into letting Mac Dre into the GOAT discussion with cries of popularity. If Mac Dre was as good as any of those names and then some he would not be some undiscovered gem. He has his own quirky entertaining style which is fine to like but I'm not gonna be convinced to let him in my top 10 when I can rattle off 20 people who are simply better rappers than him.

We gonna have to agree to disagree because I'm not writing dissertations on Mac Dre.
 

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I'm not gonna lie.... I didn't even know he was on like that until after he died. First time hearing him was recording from jail on Mac Mall's Illegal Business. I backtracked and instantly became a fan after hearing his last 4 albums.

I'm also not gonna lie.... I have him in my personal top 10 for the same reasons I have Suga Free in my personal Top 10. He had his own lane with his own style and his own choice of beats, he's lyrically witty, he mastered the shyt and his music leaves me highly entertained.

I mean, are there more ultra top tier super lyrically lyrical rappers? Yeah. But I got them in another list. Folks that are more popular? Yep. We can debate that kind of shyt til the cows come home.

Are there rappers/hip hop artists that dropped 3-4 albums back to back that left me as impressed and entertained as Mac Dre's last 4? Outside of Ghostface, Nas, and possibly Scarface, definitely not.


YUP..THERE ARE MORE LYRICAL RAPPERS OUT THERE, BUT NONE WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF PERSONALITY AND CHARISMA.
 

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It sounds like you're trying to guilt me into letting Mac Dre into the GOAT discussion with cries of popularity. If Mac Dre was as good as any of those names and then some he would not be some undiscovered gem. He has his own quirky entertaining style which is fine to like but I'm not gonna be convinced to let him in my top 10 when I can rattle off 20 people who are simply better rappers than him.

We gonna have to agree to disagree because I'm not writing dissertations on Mac Dre.

"UNDISCOVERED"?

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y'all always force Mac Dre and nothing ever changes. :mjlol:

Instead of asking me to tell you why Mac Dre, a guy I give zero fukks about, isn't goat, top 10, top 15, whatever... .why don't you tell me why Mac Dre is the goat, top 10, top 15, etc. Concrete, objective explanations, please. You can't just be top 10 outta nowhere when nothing about you is top 10. Does Mac Dre have a top 10 production? Top 10 voice? top 10 rhymes? Compare a legendary track of his to a legendary track of someone who's usually top 5/top 10 and show how Mac Dre is on par if not better in every category

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y'all always force Mac Dre and nothing ever changes. :mjlol:

Instead of asking me to tell you why Mac Dre, a guy I give zero fukks about, isn't goat, top 10, top 15, whatever... .why don't you tell me why Mac Dre is the goat, top 10, top 15, etc. Concrete, objective explanations, please. You can't just be top 10 outta nowhere when nothing about you is top 10. Does Mac Dre have a top 10 production? Top 10 voice? top 10 rhymes? Compare a legendary track of his to a legendary track of someone who's usually top 5/top 10 and show how Mac Dre is on par if not better in every category

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