IF U DONT THINK MAC DRE IS A GOAT EMCEE, THIS MIGHT CHANGE YA MIND

[Sccit]

I got a homie from Dallas who said Mac Dre aint got no kind of bars. That he was a clown rapper. He only heard his party tracks but as soon as I played him this, he retracted his statement.



[VERSE 1]
I been tryin to flip the script and take this rap thing to the next page
But the federalies got me travellin on _Con Air_ like I'm Nicholas Cage
Did 4 years, 4 months in the feds, but couldn't get no peace
Released from the belly of the beast, but the 'ralies put a nikka on a leash
The rules and regulations they inflicted, had me restricted, paroled
Kept me from blowin bomb, knowin and I'm hooked and addicted for sho'
Now how am I to be an MC when I can't get my travel on?
Can't bring no babby home, cause every morning I'm gettin sweated by Babylon
The only way out is to max out and give these fools back they lease
fukk parole, probation, piss test and supervised release
I'm a bring a calendar, bounce, blow up like Chernobyl
Kirk out and get mobile and do this thing global
Worldwide rompin, stompin in other nations
Blowin bomb with Jamaicans, and sippin Dom with them Haitians
Kickin major flows, have Asian hoes, play the romp, like it for eternity
Kick gravel, travel, see what they know about me in Werbach Germany.

[CHORUS: Dubee]
We be global
Touch land and that sand over the seas
Blew off of coco leaves, releasin verbal telekinese
For sheez, clickulate with players
Under the stairs, to the Himalayas
Kinda thick, layer for layer [x2]

[VERSE 2]
Sometimes I sit and reminisce about life in '87
When I was doin my thug game, brain ten miles higher than heaven
One-track minded, blinded by the game and quick change
Not knowin across the way-way nikkas were doin big thangs
And it's a shame, cause before I hit the f-e-d's
I didn't know about them nikkas in Cuba and them sisters in Belize
Now I'm curious - is Belizan p*ssy the bomb?
When they blow, do they hum, and how quick do they come?
Boy, it's time to hit the friendly skies and fly like a seagull
Post up in spots where the pot's good and legal
Eat tacos in Mexico with cats named Flaco
And catch a red-eyed flight the same night to Morocco
Top-nacho, chasin superbad scrilla fiends
Then bounce to the Phillipines and get mo' head than guillotines
Boy, life ain't nothin but fat checks and head sex
So I'm a get mobile, stay global like FedEx


[VERSE 3]
I was a cell dweller, eatin Top Ramen and sardines
Now it's Taiwanese Japanese cuisine
Barefooted, fitted, sippin on sake
Blow on big hashis while I feast on teriaki
International is how I'm smashin, hoe
A cutthroat nikka that will blast and roll
I took a trip to Queens to see Jazz and Preme
They had a nikka blowin brown, said it wasn't no green
But that ain't no thang, cause in Tacoma
I blew bomb till I was in a coma
And in Seattle my partner Chilly Chill
Got that purple leaf dank that really real
I'm global, boy, I be travellin
Gettin further in the air like a javelin
Chirpitch, kirkitch, finna bounce to San Coy
Mac Dre, global, holler at your boy


BARS!!

CLASSIC SONG FROM A CLASSIC ALBUM

MAC DRE CANT GET NO COLI FEATURE THO??

 

[Mac Casper]

This was the best discussion of the week. I'm up for continuing it

 

[Sccit]

This was the best discussion of the week. I'm up for continuing it

THEY KILT IT WHEN THEY REFUSED TO FEATURE THIS THREAD WHILE IT WAS STILL GOIN STRONG. COLI MODS BEEN ROBBIN ME LATELY.

THAT MIX PROLLY GO XTRA HARD OFF SOME PILLS

 

[Xbox One X]

Mac Dre was so fukking dope

 

[Xbox One X]

@Sccit aka NowIKnow aka LambFam aka Dubcc gang

I would've chosen "Not my job"
Dre was spitting

 

[Sccit]

@Sccit aka NowIKnow aka LambFam aka Dubcc gang

I would've chosen "Not my job"
Dre was spitting

YUP, NOT MY JOB IS MY JOINT....I PICKED THIS 1 CUZ THE TOPIC MORE RELATABLE TO THE GENERAL CONSENSUS HERE.

 

[Mac Casper]

THEY KILT IT WHEN THEY REFUSED TO FEATURE THIS THREAD WHILE IT WAS STILL GOIN STRONG. COLI MODS BEEN ROBBIN ME LATELY.

THAT MIX PROLLY GO XTRA HARD OFF SOME PILLS

Notice nobody responded to me calling out their ignorance

 

[Still Benefited]

Its hard for me to put him in goat EMCEE category....even though hes one of the most entertaining listens,one of our greatest philosophers

Goat artist,most definitkey should be in everyones discussion.....his versatility is actually what weakens his standing with alot of people....most hiphop listeners ear aint versatile enough to handle a nikka like Mac Dre....they palette aint tasted enough

Youd probaly have to be from a place like the bay or cali in general,where the music scene is so versatile,you were raised to have that diverse ear....most places aint like that.

And thats why you cant just tell a person what Mac Dre album to listen too,becuz its often a mixture....and most cats wont be able to digest it all based on they ignorant ears

Certain songs shoukd just be undeniable though.

This shyt is like a christian trying to explain why god is good....you gotta be baptized first,you gotta be saved

For me Sauce walka is the closest we could potentially see to Mac Dre if he puts the work in...dre should definitley be his blueprint,he potentially could be greater.

And nah i cant put Mac Mall over Dre.....now i did used to put Dru Down over Dre....in his prime Dru was one of the coldest nikkas ever to me,but after a whie i had to concede Dre was greater

Voice and delivey i give the edge to prime Dru Down,bars goes to Dre hands down...plus Dres voice and delivery is top tier.

 

[Mac Casper]

@Sccit aka NowIKnow aka LambFam aka Dubcc gang

I would've chosen "Not my job"
Dre was spitting

"Not My Job" is up there with The Beatles "Across the Universe" for me

 

[Mac Casper]

Mac Dre is definitely top 15 and perhaps top 10.

He's in my top 2 favorites - and his catalog exceeds most of your top 5

The only issue is that a marketing teams at record labels owned by multinational corporations didn't force him down your throat

I'm not here to play forum, I'm genuinely interested in Mac Dre discussions more than most of what the world has to offer and I want to know what's going on in your evaluation that has us at such different points - a lot of people don't know that much about Mac Dre, yet still offer an assessment. It seems you're more familiar with him than a lot of people though

Are you aware that his catalog extends 15 years? I'm curious to know if you know that or if there's some reason you don't value his tenure and output the way you do others. Is there a reason for that or have you just not been told by anyone how to view his legacy?

Before we get into rankings I'd like to see how you're looking at it

Let's break down stereotypes using conventional assessments. The reason I make a point to distinct your


Good to be aware of these type of things so you can evaluate the way people are approaching you and interpret if that's a possible motivation in their behavior toward you but as long as we stick to the music there's no reason to evaluate as if my self-preservation is on the line. I'm not invested in this, I'm just curious to know why he's invested in his position


There's 3 distinct eras of Mac Dre's stylistic evolution, complete artistic reinventions - the way you see with superstar acts like Prince, Madonna, Snoop Dogg - artist who completely reinvent themselves and reintroduce themselves to their fans.and new audiences.

Artists that head multiple reigns at the top during their career

Examples - Madonna, Snoop Dogg - who do it for business purposes. Artists like Prince who do it for deeper reasons.


His work wasn't created with a major label A&R in his ear directing his work to fit into the current agenda and radio format. He wasn't being coached by an A&R on how to reach the youth with their comeback.

Multinational corporations that own large portions of the entire media marketshare weren't invested in his marketing campaign to make sure he's forced down your throat every album cycle


Mac Dre is the "organic superstar" that the people on here are talking about

Here's examples of those 3 eras, which also contain a host of innovation scarred around a huge catalog and almost infinite amount of features

Mac Dre's legacy is 100% more legit than the rappers you consider to be household names

Here's some of the most required listening, synonymous with his legacy - the issue is that there's so many instances of stand out work on his final string of projects that it's hard to cover his whole career

My top recommendation is in a lane of it's own - there's not another song like this anywhere



This is the one that made me a fan, and changed my life - This is a great example of his style - with a pseudo-Dr. Dre produced effect working on your subconscious



This would be like the single






epic gamespitting captured on this track, suitable for playas rather than just pimps (Suga Free)



Mac Dre is the type of artist that doesn't have a wack verse and also 99.9997% percent of the time his verse is a stand out. He is the king of that. If you want entertainment value, you've found it.

His later work, you might consider this his Makaveli era because it shows a new direction he was heading right before his life was tragically cut short




This one is from Al Boo Boo - 2002 and essentially the genesis of his final reinvention - the Thizz era




This is a great way to experience the diversity in his styles




name another artist you can do a 4 hour mix of just their guest verses

Actually me & @Sccit represent perfect examples of people into Mac Dre's work from completely different eras, completely different reasons - while he prefers Mac Dre preaching knowledge in his earlier years, I prefer Mac Dre showing you how to have fun, while spitting a unique style of game that can only be explained as the perfect balance between sass and wit.

Name another artist you can say that for. Not to mention an independent artist who represented a successful business model. Do you know how many artists have an identity because "they wanna be a boss" and conduct independent music business rather than waiting for a record label to come hold their hand? He wasn't propped up by anyone.


Matter of fact this is a good platform - fukk The Source

Let's clear up the misconceptions right now and get this discussion out of the way on where Mac Dre's legacy stands.

Let me know when you're on so we can address this thoroughly -

You're basically saying that ignorance is just as good as knowledge

There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.".Stop.


We're talking about greatests of all-time, not a popularity contest.


Go compare a marketing budget, if you want to be just another click.


Here's the rappers from your list that Mac Dre is unequivocally ranked above, and if you want to debate this from your point of ignorance it would basically be an exhibition of bullying on my part.


Biggie - I'm sorry your boy died after three years, he had a lot of potential. Notice Pun and Big L aren't on your list? Oh, they weren't the first to come to mind huh? - but if you think two albums is qualification for GOAT tier you are ground zero of publication-based marketing. Nobody would rank The Game as so after The Doctor's Advocate, GOAT discussions don't happen after two albums unless Puffy is profiting off your estate. Sorry to break that paradigm for you.

Snoop - putting a rapper on your list that is known to of had ghostwriters throughout his career is only a shot at your own credibility.


50 Cent - Mac Dre's catalog towers over 50 Cent's. I"m a staunch supporter of 50 Cent, I've met him on more than one occasion - good luck putting together 5 double disc Best Of compilations that STILL do not show all of the career highlights. If you were showing somebody 50 Cent's work you wouldn't have 5 standout tracks from the same album just because they CAN'T go without mention



LL . . . legend, but Def Jam's Will Smith

Jeezy and T.I. aren't even in the same tier


These are just the easy ones, I'm sharpshooting here. There's a few other names on your list that we can go into extensive debates over before I show you why Mac Dre ranks well-above them.


The issue is that you're clinging to paradigms and you make the mistake of assuming your ignorance on a subject to be just as valuable as knowledge on a subject.

 

[Mac Casper]

Its hard for me to put him in goat EMCEE category....even though hes one of the most entertaining listens,one of our greatest philosophers

Goat artist,most definitkey should be in everyones discussion.....his versatility is actually what weakens his standing with alot of people....most hiphop listeners ear aint versatile enough to handle a nikka like Mac Dre....they palette aint tasted enough

Youd probaly have to be from a place like the bay or cali in general,where the music scene is so versatile,you were raised to have that diverse ear....most places aint like that.

And thats why you cant just tell a person what Mac Dre album to listen too,becuz its often a mixture....and most cats wont be able to digest it all based on they ignorant ears

Certain songs shoukd just be undeniable though.

This shyt is like a christian trying to explain why god is good....you gotta be baptized first,you gotta be saved

For me Sauce walka is the closest we could potentially see to Mac Dre if he puts the work in...dre should definitley be his blueprint,he potentially could be greater.

And nah i cant put Mac Mall over Dre.....now i did used to put Dru Down over Dre....in his prime Dru was one of the coldest nikkas ever to me,but after a whie i had to concede Dre was greater

Voice and delivey i give the edge to prime Dru Down,bars goes to Dre hands down...plus Dres voice and delivery is top tier.

If you separate his catalog - you have three distinct eras of his style, essentially playing out an entire career for each of them before evolving like a Pokemon

 

[Rhyme n Tekniq]

dude i'm really trying to give this a fair shot, because i know he left his mark. Believe me. I am really trying....

 

[Mac Casper]

dude i'm really trying to give this a fair shot, because i know he left his mark. Believe me. I am really trying....

Let me give you an example of his early era work



What type of music are you typically into?

 

[Still Benefited]

If you separate his catalog - you have three distinct eras of his style, essentially playing out an entire career for each of them before evolving like a Pokemon

Undoubtedly

I think its more about the vibes with Dre though,i think certain older songs of his matches better with the vibe of certain songs from his later work.....Mac Dre is just to complicated to put nikkas on to,they gotta just dive in....people ask us to put them on but its just not that simple,they gotta give him a chance until it clicks.

And on top of that it only will click if they buy into the persona...Dre didnt just rap,which is what cats is used to...i firmly believe with some rappers you have to buy into the persona,which would mean buying into the person to understand and love the music.

Thats not the norm for many rap fans,either a rapper is good or they aint....they either like them immediatley or they dont which is understandable...but Mac Dre is different,i dont think it can happen any other way....nikkas might need to watch a documentary first,and before i get the "listening to a good rapper shouldnt be this complicated"

Well,ya six piece bookshelf came with an instruction booklet,and you had to read it to put it together

And after you put it together,the books you put on it probaly didnt give you nearly the education Mac Dres catalogue could