if soccer was the most popular sport in the United States

[mastermind]

You just pointed out someone 6"4 210lbs playing, and RG3 being 13lbs heavier is too big, when he's a superior athlete? Come on fam, Ronaldo was out there looking like the Michelin man putting in work.

Onyewu fukking sucks, thats why I pointed him out. He has no lateral quickness, lol.

Ran a 4.82 40m, would translate to a 4.4-4.5 40yd dash, far from a great athlete, good but not great. He wouldn't have cracked the top 10 @ this years NFL draft combine with that speed.

word, because everyone runs a 4.4-4.5 at the combine. That figure would have put Thierry at the top 20 in this year's draft combine, and this is him not going to a speed coach to work on his 40 time like a lot of guys do at combines. That is just a dude naturally running.

And I like how speed is the only determinant to what is a great athlete.

Not really, it's not that hard to increase max VO2 and stamina, Im not saying lineman could play soccer, but the guys who fit the running back and DB body type are perfect.

to move around for 90 minutes, they would. We were just talking about a player named Tom Huddlestone, who I think has great talent for England. Dude was 6'2" and 214 lbs, and had to lose 20 lbs weight because he was getting winded at central midfield.

False, Nash played basketball well before HS, he didn't start playing organized basketball until 8th grade, that doesn't mean he didn't play at parks or shoot around. It just means he didn't play for his team until 8th grade. Hakeem (PBUH) is 6"10 and a gift from the heavens athletically.

fair enough about Nash. With Hakeem, I was talking strictly about his skill level. He learned how to play the game late and was amazing on a skill standpoint. Thats impossible for a dude wanting to play soccer.

I'm not saying dudes who are 6"8 and up, Im specifically talking about PG/SG, RB and DB body types.

those guys would be the right body type, but it would take so much more than them running and jumping. There is a legit development problem in this country that I dont think people are really paying attention too. And its not just in soccer.

 

[yseJ]

The point is, the fastest man in soccer, would be around 40th fastest man in the NFL.

and ? again you're so obsessed with the idea that somehow speed/any other raw number is so important its almost comical.

Combine Events.

Tests/evaluations include:

Position-specific drills
The Cybex test
The Wonderlic Test

wonderlic is a joke (first grade level test lol)
the position specific drills are more of an indicator than raw measurements but again, they are out-of-the-game numbers that dont take shiit into the account.


america's obsession with athleticism shows up in NFL draft picks all the time when bum ass dudes with no apparent instincts and skills are picked because of good 40 times, verticals, bench press reps, etc...and regarded as projects. those kids wouldnt be looked at in a lot of other sports that rely less on athleticism.

 

[yseJ]

lets look at the nba even. to take my post in the other thread, how many centers nowadays have legit post game ? you can count them on one hand if even finger.

and yet the US should be PUMPING out these dominant centers. all we get is athletic, big guys who can play D alright, but lack skillsets of earlier legends.

the coaches say fukk it, the big guy athletically dominates the opposition, why the fukk should I tinker with what aint broke and teach him moves ? hell be fine.

then he gets into the league and that athleticism doesnt stand out as much anymore does it ?

its the SAME fukking problem as what the black QBs are facing. obsession with athleticism and lack of development of skills. and coaches who instead of developing the player for the next level (like in soccer) are worried more about winning now.

 

[DalMem]

lets look at the nba even. to take my post in the other thread, how many centers nowadays have legit post game ? you can count them on one hand if even finger.

and yet the US should be PUMPING out these dominant centers. all we get is athletic, big guys who can play D alright, but lack skillsets of earlier legends.

the coaches say fukk it, the big guy athletically dominates the opposition, why the fukk should I tinker with what aint broke and teach him moves ? hell be fine.

then he gets into the league and that athleticism doesnt stand out as much anymore does it ?

its the SAME fukking problem as what the black QBs are facing. obsession with athleticism and lack of development of skills. and coaches who instead of developing the player for the next level (like in soccer) are worried more about winning now.

 

[yseJ]

I know who the black QBs are. and the fact that there are so few pictures that you posted kinda prove my point.

there are dozens of promising and gifted young black qbs in the US but the coaches insist on them taking over the game athletically instead of teaching them how to pass with accuracy and reading defenses. it works well in the short run....but in the long run, the black QB loses because of idiotic system where the coach wants to win now.

whereas with the white unathletic QB, mad people work on his passing skills cuz its all he has.

 

[BOBN]

What Wilt is saying that if America soley concentrated on properly developing soccer players, we would produce more than enough athletic, talented, skilled, and smart soccer players to compete and possibly dominate on a world stage. We shyt on everyone else when we really try.

Thats not the impression I got from the womens world cup final

You seemed to be trying awfully hard there and certainly dominated physically but you got raped by some jap midgets tbh.

 

[BIGDENNIS10UK]

How can you think you can run football, when American posters have already admitted you don't run baseball and no one else in the world really plays it.

fukking crazy delusional Americans

 

[BOBN]

Jesus Christ, you can say that about any sport

It's athleticism + skill, just like nearly every other team sport in existence.

The point is the skill in a game like american football is much easier to master than in soccer. Why are we ignoring this elephant in the room.

learning how to catch a ball, and cut good? a good player can master those fundamentals in a couple years.

most never master the fundamentals in soccer. england have about 3 players who have mastered the fundamentals after decades of coaching and youve seen the results.

Its a bit like learning how to dance, some never get it.

 

[Ready2Rhyme]

we would win the world cup every year. amrite?

Nah...the rest of the world didn't start taking basketball seriously until 10 years ago, whereas America took it seriously for 70.

Baseball, Hockey, Football - world never and still don't gave a fukk about.

But the world takes soccer seriously. There's no reason to think America would automatically dominate. Only world sports America has been consistently near the top in are individual sports like Track Sprinting, tennis, maybe cycling...

 

[BOBN]

Nobody address the fact of yugoslavia being at the top of the FIBA basketball world cup medal table

The only reason the why the US do ok at any sport is the sheer weight of population you can throw at anything tbh. No intrinsic superior athleticism or heart or anything, just numbers. man for man your country is

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

Are people on this thread going to act like Brazil's dominance and elite play the past 5 decades had nothing to do with the fact that in addition to being highly skilled they usually had the best athletes on the field against whoever they played against?

no they didn't

they had a lot of fukking alcoholics, undisciplined womanizers and dudes with bodies that were fukked up from the get go

but because their technical skills were otherworldly they styled on continents


like I said

technical skill and tactics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>athletic freaks

 

[ElChapin]

I dont know if anyone posted this yet.. this thread just made me think of this song.

[ame=http://youtu.be/IhnUgAaea4M]America fukk yeah-team america - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Marvel]

no they didn't

they had a lot of fukking alcoholics, undisciplined womanizers and dudes with bodies that were fukked up from the get go

but because their technical skills were otherworldly they styled on continents


like I said

technical skill and tactics>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>athletic can't freaks

Sounds like Maradona to me also. What's your point? Soccer players play year round, it is hard for them to be out of shape unless they are injured, like how when Ronaldo got injured, got fat, and never recovered. Teams usually come to tournaments in tip top shape because they have a demanding club and national team schedule.

I say...

athleticism + skills > only skills

You say

only skills > athleticism + skills.

Its that simple. You are trolling at this point if you do not agree. Its what I have been posting in this entire thread.

 

[Clapsteel O'Neal]

Sounds like Maradona to me also. What's your point? Soccer players play year round, it is hard for them to be out of shape unless they are injured, like how when Ronaldo got injured, got fat, and never recovered. Teams usually come to tournaments in tip top shape because they have a demanding club and national team schedule.

I say...

athleticism + skills > only skills

You say

only skills > athleticism + skills.

Its that simple. You are trolling at this point if you do not agree. Its what I have been posting in this entire thread.

no dumbass, what i'm saying it skills and tactics (reading is fundamental breh) matter more than athletism ever will in football...and history has shown you can get further with just skills and tactics than you can with athleticism. Link me a quote of me talking about skills >>>>> athleticism and skill (like that even makes sense, i'd assume you had the intelligence to assume I meant something else off the bat if that's what you're saying you thought I meant )...Btw, I won't wait for you to show me a quote because I don't have all day to wait for you to show me something I never said


And my other point was that you was saying Brazil had better athletes than their opponents which is 110% false. Just complete utter retarded nonsence. Remember this comment mate

they usually had the best athletes on the field against whoever they played against?

Oh yeah thanks for helping to prove my point even further by mentioning maradona

you nikkas are amateurs...just be quiet and go talk to someone else because you can't argue my points. They are facts, not opinions, but facts backed up by history

 

[No1]

Nobody address the fact of yugoslavia being at the top of the FIBA basketball world cup medal table

The only reason the why the US do ok at any sport is the sheer weight of population you can throw at anything tbh. No intrinsic superior athleticism or heart or anything, just numbers. man for man your country is

Cut this nonsense out. Sure size plays a part of it, but the US has always produced athlete of their generation types. ALWAYS. There were times when much of the world focused their entire resources on certain sports and we still dominated them. Why isn't Russia comparable to us athletically? China? India? Etc.

This anti-Americanism is ridiculous, and I tend to critique my country a lot.