if soccer was the most popular sport in the United States

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we absolutely would not

dudes would just run in straight lines over and over while not being able to control a ball, pass, cross, and shoot properly.

And thats not even getting to the tactical nuances that we still lack.


The US would be a good nation right now with the current talent if the player development was right. It isnt, its not even close to right and we will still be a middling nation (sadly, altho better than being a complete minnow for 50 years like before).

The problem with athlete development in soccer is the same in other sports in this country too.
The fukk?
 

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It's not reliant like I said. Look at the Spain midfield. Xavi, Alonso & Busquets. Not a top athlete combined. Alonso's probably the fastest and strongest of the 3 and those are not strengths in his game.

Spain also piss weak.

Like I said, there has not been a single world class player to come out the USA.



The US produces a brand of athlete completely different from the rest of the world, you will find them nowhere else. Put it this way, there are people in the NFL as fast or faster than Theo Walcott, and they outweigh him by 60-90lbs. The issue is they don't play soccer, so of course we haven't had a single world class player, all the world class athletes we have are here -

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You can keep saying Soccer isn't reliant on athleticism, yet Ronaldo is one of the best athletes in the sport and Messi is agile & quick as hell. Just so you know, the ability to change directions like that is.....athleticism.

Im not saying we'd dominate, but if the NFL/NBA vanished tonight, within 20 years the US would be a big problem in Soccer.
 

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I wasn't directly responding to you...someone did say its a sport for those with low centers of gravity. Also, by the very definition of the phrase low center of gravity....those players you listed do not not have low centers of gravity. Being good on the ball doesn't equal low center of gravity, in a strictly scientific sense.

Messi is like the epitome of low center of gravity. The stuff he does at full speed is unreproducible for like 99% of players.

Height has been big advantage for teams like france, germany, netherlands (old school) , and italy in the past.

Ronaldinho was way taller than messi and was magician with the ball and had crazy athletic ability.

France world cup euro champ squad was tall as hell for soccer

L. Thurman 6'2
Viera 6'4
Zidane 6'2-3
Henry 6'2
Trez 6'2

Messi has amazing quickness and skills but he can't defend a set piece. He is limited on certain parts of the field.

Americans can produce the kind of athletes that defy logic in terms of quickness and speed in relation to size.

Having a tall and athletic squad is very beneficial for set pieces and defense.

Brazil's squad in the past was taller than average and very athletic.

If soccer was the number one sport, with our resources, population. Our team would a combination of Germany and Brazil in terms of training and style of play. I wish their was a way we could simulate what it would be like if our best athletes only played soccer.

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Height has been big advantage for teams like france, germany, netherlands (old school) , and italy in the past.

Ronaldinho was way taller than messi and was magician with the ball and had crazy athletic ability.

France world cup euro champ squad was tall as hell for soccer

L. Thurman 6'2
Viera 6'4
Zidane 6'2-3
Henry 6'2
Trez 6'2

Messi has amazing quickness and skills but he can't defend a set piece. He is limited on certain parts of the field.

Americans can produce the kind of athletes that defy logic in terms of quickness and speed in relation to size.

Having a tall and athletic squad is very beneficial for set pieces and defense.

Brazil's squad in the past was taller than average and very athletic.

If soccer was the number one sport, with our resources, population. Our team would a combination of Germany and Brazil in terms of training and style of play. I wish their was a way we could simulate what it would be like if our best athletes only played soccer.

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You're agreeing with me breh. :leostare:
lol check the replies...i was just pointing out that Messi's unbelievable balance allows him to run at full speed and shift directions quickly.
 

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The US produces a brand of athlete completely different from the rest of the world, you will find them nowhere else. Put it this way, there are people in the NFL as fast or faster than Theo Walcott, and they outweigh him by 60-90lbs. The issue is they don't play soccer, so of course we haven't had a single world class player, all the world class athletes we have are here -

NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League
NBA.com


You can keep saying Soccer isn't reliant on athleticism, yet Ronaldo is one of the best athletes in the sport and Messi is agile & quick as hell. Just so you know, the ability to change directions like that is.....athleticism.

Im not saying we'd dominate, but if the NFL/NBA vanished tonight, within 20 years the US would be a big problem in Soccer.

I'm going to say we would dominate soccer if it was the number 1 sport here. We have better athletes in the US, period. We have over 300 million people. We have as many or more people in the US than all of western europe. Our talent pool would be crazy. Our B team would win world cups. Our C team would be better than England.

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The US produces a brand of athlete completely different from the rest of the world, you will find them nowhere else. Put it this way, there are people in the NFL as fast or faster than Theo Walcott, and they outweigh him by 60-90lbs. The issue is they don't play soccer, so of course we haven't had a single world class player, all the world class athletes we have are here -

NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League
NBA.com


You can keep saying Soccer isn't reliant on athleticism, yet Ronaldo is one of the best athletes in the sport and Messi is agile & quick as hell. Just so you know, the ability to change directions like that is.....athleticism.

Im not saying we'd dominate, but if the NFL/NBA vanished tonight, within 20 years the US would be a big problem in Soccer.
he also has amazing technical skills, great finishing ability, and is two footed.

The only way it would ever work is if US soccer completely revamped the system it has. That means put kids in professional training at a young age and get good coaching to kids when young. Put youngsters on smaller fields and have 7v7 games to improve ball skills and speed of thought. So many things would have to change in this country for the US to be a really good nation.

Japan took the sport serious around the same time the US started too, but instead of relying on their old system, they brought in coaches from Holland to teach kids the game. Now they have genuine world class players. The best coaches should be at that level, which is not how America operates in any sport except tennis and some other olympic sports.

And the athletes the US have currently are very good. Before his knee injuries, Oguchi Onyewu was very fast and was 6'4" 210 at centerback. Demarcus Beasley was one of the fastest players in the world when he was young and never progressed far because he had no right foot and was a shyt crosser of the ball. There is a kid that plays for a German team who had a top 5 in any sport Nike Sparq test. He cant break into that German team's first 11.
 

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US does pretty well but considering the teams they play against in qualifying they have a guaranteed spot in every tournament. If they played against European or South American teams they wouldn't have qualified for many cups. Once you're in the tourney anything can happen. If it was the #1 sport they'd be top 5 but not dominating...it ain't like theres anything in the water that makes athletes more superior here than in Brazil, Spain, etc. They dominate other sports obv cause other countries dont give a fukk about them
 

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You're still on this population nonsense? :heh:

Like mastermind said, the American mentality and teaching would have to change. US style relies too much on ... athleticism, as that's what Americans tend to be dazzled by.

and it's good enough to beat teams in our region, not too much more than that. Hell, the women play the same way, and after seeing the other teams in their WC last year, that style isn't going to work too much longer for them either.
 

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lol, some real dummies in here. Typical though. I'd expect nothing less than some of the pure ignorance shown in here when it comes to Soccer.
 

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these threads are not born out of arrogance, but really a furiousness that the united states has been unable to create/partake in an international championship for its popular sports which anybody gives a damn about. the recent euro championship brought this bitterness to the fore.

the best is probably olympic basketball which will be played in patched up school gymnasiums this summer :dead:

for that reason, basketball and football (gridiron) are failed sports and you all know it.

Ok, and you going to act like Basketball and Football don't rely on skill also. Because if you do think that, then you are an idiot.
tbf I was watching "espn 30 30 the best there never was" with this person marcus dupree. most talented this, most talented that they kept saying but tbf all he did was run with the ball like an oaf. zero skill, zero anything.

the most talented american athlete in high school history was a black forrest gump :dead:

I reckon i'd make it in NFL if I came over within 6 months tbh. im 6'3, pretty fast and strong enough (cant remember ever losing a fight growing up), all I gotta learn is how to catch a ball designed for catching and thats it, 5 minute job. forget tactics I can be fed those in the timeouts. id be better than that reggie bush at least.
 
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