If Obama topples Bashar Al Assad...

[MVike28]

@Ritzy Sharon guess who closed their border once bombs started falling on fleeing Afghani akhs in 2001?


Iran




they are the most sectarian regime in the region.

Wali Al Faqih? UENO?

 

[88m3]

lolz @ the Shia trio savin us.

these threads and subjects bring out the worst posters and most fallacious arguments known to man.

 

[88m3]

This isn't about insurgents overthrowing their oppressive government though...it's about the United States of America overthrowing the current government of a country which are two different things.
If the US removes Assad who takes over? That is a question that the answer must be know beforehand otherwise we end up making a bad situation worse.
So where is the spin exactly? Because it looks to me like you and I are not even talking about the same subject.

whatever you say buddy

 

[Jello Biafra]

whatever you say buddy

You are about as useless to the furthering of discussion on this forum as Slaimon but not nearly as funny.

 

[88m3]

You are about as useless to the furthering of discussion on this forum as Slaimon but not nearly as funny.

You want everything to fit in a nice little box and instant gratification. I understand but conflicts don't work that way. We can oversimplify things in writing but the reality is very different on the ground.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Itt: Canadians trying to get us to flex for them

 

[Jello Biafra]

You want everything to fit in a nice little box and instant gratification. I understand but conflicts don't work that way. We can oversimplify things in writing but the reality is very different on the ground.

Oversimplification is the original post in this thread.
Removing Assad is not some simple thing...there are far reaching repercussions to that move so asking the questions about who takes over and where the line is drawn in regards to US intervention in countries with despotic regimes are very valid.

 

[MVike28]

Oversimplification is the original post in this thread.
Removing Assad is not some simple thing...there are far reaching repercussions to that move so asking the questions about who takes over and where the line is drawn in regards to US intervention in countries with despotic regimes are very valid.

I agree with this. Removing Assad is not a magic pill. But alternatively standing by and watching him do what his dad did for 40 years is not the right approach either.

Any Akhs in this thread defending the Assad regime are out of their mind tho.


@Ritzy Sharon here are your safe alternative to the Israeli/Saudi/US axis of evil

The Hama massacre (Arabic: مجزرة حماة‎) occurred in February 1982, when the Syrian Arab Army and the Defense Companies, under the orders of the country's then-president, Hafez al-Assad, besieged the town of Hama for 27 days in order to quell an uprising by the Muslim Brotherhood against al-Assad's government.[1][2] The massacre, carried out by the Syrian Army supposedly under commanding General Rifaat al-Assad, President Assad's younger brother, effectively ended the campaign begun in 1976 by Sunni Islamic groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood, against the government.
Initial diplomatic reports from Western countries stated that 1,000 were killed.[3][4] Subsequent estimates vary, with the lower estimates claiming that at least 10,000 Syrian citizens were killed,[5] while others put the number at 20,000 (Robert Fisk),[1] or 40,000 (Syrian Human Rights Committee).[6][2] About 1,000 Syrian soldiers were killed during the operation and large parts of the old city were destroyed. Alongside such events as Black September in Jordan,[7] the attack has been described as one of "the single deadliest acts by any Arab government against its own people in the modern Middle East".[8] The vast majority of the victims were civilians.[9]
According to Syrian media, anti-government rebels initiated the fighting, who "pounced on our comrades while sleeping in their homes and killed whomever they could kill of women and children, mutilating the bodies of the martyrs in the streets, driven, like mad dogs, by their black hatred." Security forces then "rose to confront these crimes" and "taught the murderers a lesson that has snuffed out their breath".[10]

 

[FAH1223]

You do realize Syrian are MENA people don't give a fukk about blacks right? Remember when the Arab Libyan majority toppled their dictator and went on a racialist negro killing spree?

Well, Bashar and his father welcomed thousands of Somali refugees into Syria without any papers (due to Somalia being the Arab league) after the outbreak of civil war. The gulf countries deported Somalis.

That counts, right?

 

[FAH1223]

Oh so Assad is a piece of shyt and we should go in and play superman to the rebels lois lane right? You say justice right? So are we then going to go to Myanmar?
Myanmar: Rakhine:
The Rohingya are a Muslim ethnic minority of one million people that has lived in Rakhine state for centuries, but they face systematic religious and ethnic discrimination there. The Rohingya are not a recognized ethnic minority and are, therefore, robbed of the rights inherent in citizenship. During 2012, violence increased against Rohingya and other Muslims in the Rakhine State, and the Pullitzer Center on Crisis Reporting said the Rohingyas have become one of the most oppressed ethnic groups in the world. Genocide Watch has issued an updated Genocide Emergency for the Rakhine State of Myanmar.

How about the poor people in the tiny country of Bahrain?
"The thing about Bahrain is that nobody really knows what's going on there because there's not much media coverage," Alkhawaja said during a recent visit. "But the protests never stopped."

Demonstrators say authorities killed dozens of people and arrested, tortured and imprisoned hundreds of others. Opposition leaders have tried to keep the protest movement alive.

I mean since we are all about helping people, why stop with Assad? How are you people not seeing this? This is the exact same smoke and mirror bullshyt they pulled to get us into Iraq. All the U.S. cares about is installing a regime thats friendly to the states and Israel. How many oppressive regimes do we turn a blind eye to because they let us do what we want? Toppling Assad will create another country embroiled in turmoil just like Iraq, Afghan, and Libya. Ask them how much they love freedom

I would have thought Burma would attract some people. The billions of dollars in the Golden Triangle Heroine trade is there for the taking. The borders are so porous you can move thousands of men in and out, you can base many camps that are difficult to eradicate.

If Al Qaeda really existed in real life as they paint in the media, this would be prime territory. You could use the excuse of jihad to muscle the shan out of some of the heroine trade... enough to finance a lot of attacks around the world.
Fortunately or unfortunately for some, Al Qaeda is a fictional entitiy and what comes closest to its description is a creature completley under the control of Western intelligence agencies.

 

[Blackking]

it's always better when people work out their own issues.

 

[MVike28]

Well, Bashar and his father welcomed thousands of Somali refugees into Syria without any papers (due to Somalia being the Arab league) after the outbreak of civil war. The gulf countries deported Somalis.

That counts, right?

Breh the fackin gulf countries deported the citizens of every nation that did not support the original Gulf War.

So if you happened to be from Yemen, Palestine, Jordan, Sudan, chances are you were deported on sight.

@ these Khaleejis they make me sick.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

it's always better when people work out their own issues.

Totally subjective. The Bosnians and Israelis and British would disagree with you.

 

[MVike28]

Totally subjective. The Bosnians and Israelis and British would disagree with you.

Alternatively you can point out Iraq as the worst outcome of an intervention.

Pre-war the sectarian divide was nowhere near where it is now.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Alternatively you can point out Iraq as the worst outcome of an intervention.

Pre-war the sectarian divide was nowhere near where it is now.

Definitely. Im not a fan of american interventionism but you would have to be silly to claim it hasnt helped a great many people.