If LeBron continued to play like this he would've been the GOAT

[ajnapoleon]

stop

kobe was always a skill based player

bron is more based off using physicality intelligently

bron is facing elite defenders so he simplifies

his style fits his stature

if he was trying to play like kobe it'd be a waste of physical gifts

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It just shows me people just want jordan clones


Over and over

Kobe was the closest body wise


But damn cant players play like they want?

 

[FromStLouis]

@ 2:50

 

[010101]

Its true. My homie looks look Allen fukking Iverson when he plays my bum ass

levels

It just shows me people just want jordan clones


Over and over

Kobe was the closest body wise


But damn cant players play like they want?

caught up in the style*

 

[Swagnificent]

finals record is about the quality of the franchise you play for & the quality of your opps

you believe in fairytales

stop

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Disagreed. Style of play matters. When all you can do is drive into the paint or kick out to 3-point shooters you make it easier for the defense to stop you than if you have a refined technical game like Jordan. Against weak eastern conference teams LeBron physical gifts were too much to overcome. But against great teams that limited style of play doesn't work. You need to be versatile in how you attack elite teams. Bron's lack of versatility to play a different style is why he's lost so much in the finals.

Don't believe me. Bron's own teammates have said as much. In 2018, an anonymous Cavs player pointed out how jealous he was of the Warriors role players. He said the Warriors stars take all the difficult long range shots and that is what opens up opportunities near the basket for role players like Shaun Livingston. However, on the Cavs its LeBron who gets the easy shots near the rim while its on his teammates to hit the long range shots. This is good for LeBron's individual stats but not good for the team's overall success when it comes to winning.

If you want to win its better if your best player is taking the most difficult shots while the role players take the easy shots than it is for your best player to take the easy shots while the role players have to hit the difficult ones.

 

[Swagnificent]

I GET WHAT SWAG IS SAYIN, BUT BRON WAS NEVER AS SKILLED AS KOBE OR MJ... NOT EVEN CLOSE. SO WHILE THIS STYLE OF PLAY CUT IT IN HIGH SCHOOL FOR HIM, HE WOULDA ENDED UP BEIN A BIGGER DEMAR DEROZAN AT BEST IF HE WOULDA NEVER ADAPTED TO BEING A POWER PLAYER AND RELIED PRIMARILY ON SKILL.

Young MJ was not that refined in terms of skill. Kobe definitely was. Jordan worked on it and went from a guy who was largely an athlete to as technically refined as any player in history. If LeBron had a strong work ethic like Jordan he could easily have done it. He would just need to watch his weight to keep from being too bulky. Skill development is really about work ethic.

 

[Swagnificent]

But damn cant players play like they want?

No. Cause basketball is a spectator sport. We want to be entertained first and foremost. Why else do you think most people didn't care about Duncan and the Spurs despite their success?

The Jordan/Kobe/T-Mac style of basketball is the most aesthetically pleasing style to watch. The hyperathletic hyperskilled swingman with no weakness to his game. I think the most talented players should strive to play this way. Its the best way to play.

 

[Sccit]

Young MJ was not that refined in terms of skill. Kobe definitely was. Jordan worked on it and went from a guy who was largely an athlete to as technically refined as any player in history. If LeBron had a strong work ethic like Jordan he could easily have done it. He woukd just need to watch his weight to keep from being too bulky.

YOURE FORGETTING THAT LEBRON DOESNT HAVE THAT HEART OR KILLER INSTINCT LIKE THEY DID..

SO YOUR IF IS A HUGE IF

AND YOURE RIGHT, MJ WASNT A SHOOTER IN HIS EARLY YEARS.. BUT HE HAD THAT WILL TO BE THE BEST HE COULD BE AND WAS WILLING TO DEDICATE HIMSELF TO THAT. THEREIN LIES THE DIFFERENCE.

 

[010101]

Disagreed. Style of play matters. When all you can do is drive into the paint or kick out to 3-point shooters you make it easier for the defense to stop you than if you have a refined technical game like Jordan. Against weak eastern conference teams LeBron physical gifts were too much to overcome. But against great teams that limited style of play doesn't work. You need to be versatile in how you attack elite teams. Bron's lack of versatility to play a different style is why he's lost so much in the finals.

Don't believe me. Bron's own teammates have said as much. In 2018, an anonymous Cavs player pointed out how jealous he was of the Warriors role players. He said the Warriors stars take all the difficult long range shots and that is what opens up opportunities near the basket for role players like Shaun Livingston. However, on the Cavs its LeBron who gets the easy shots near the rim while its on his teammates to hit the long range shots. This is good for LeBron's individual stats but not good for the team's overall success when it comes to winning.

If you want to win its better if your best player is taking the most difficult shots while the role players take the easy shots than it is for your best player to take the easy shots while the role players have to hit the difficult ones.

mans should take tougher shots to entertain you¿

ha iight

he passed up mad folks that did all that extra shyte on the all time scoring list how¿

the biggest bucket of all time was the type to get straight to it if you really think about it

the fastest path to a goal is a straight line keep it simple stupid

bron should start ballhogging & chucking it up you think that's gonna make his teammates better opposed to dropping dimes at a elite level¿

trolllollollollollollollollol

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[Hey_zeus]

 

[CHERUB]

How can yall not watch this video on repeat? It was amazing to watch. Bron was a completely different player. He was primarily an off-ball player. He had combo moves. Jab step. Jab step. One dribble. Spin. Fadeaway. Are you kidding me? Bron in his 30s couldn't do what he was doing at 18.

I really think Bron limited his greatness by turning into a drive and kick point forward that plays primarily through pick n rolls rather than staying as an off-ball scorer who played the way 2s and 3s traditionally played. By trying to do everything as a point forward his one on one isolation scoring skills declined. A LeBron that plays like Kobe would have more rings. He should have stuck to his high school body type as well. Becoming heavier caused him to lose his body control and agility.

Unlike YOU apparently i was old enough to watch it Live and appreciate at it THEN. Its always foward im moving never backwards stupid, heres another classic..

 

[murksiderock]

A guy is the #3 All-Time scorer without being score first mentality...

Has plenty of evidence on deck of having a diverse offensive arsenal and killing cats off the dribble, from the post, in the midrange, with the footwork, but we still say all he plays is bully ball lmao...

Has the most buzzer beaters in playoff history, with a better success rate (shooting%) in crunch time scenarios than anyone else (other GOATs) in playoff history, with multiple individual performances that are arguable as GOAT-ever games...

And multiple playoff runs that are arguable as GOAT-ever playoff runs...

Is a 3x Finals MVP tied for second-most All-Time, and was the individual best player in at least two (2014, 2015) of the Finals he lost...

Tied for 3rd All-Time with 4 MVPs...

Has the record for most All-NBA 1st Team selections and is about to break the record for most selections, period...

And regardless of how one "likes" his game or not, is one of the most individually cerebral AND dominant players in the entire 74-year history of All-Time...

Somehow is unskilled with all of these accomplishments and being a consensus Rushmore player...

.............

But said guy only "could have been" the GOAT. Amazing how virtually nobody except Jordan's or Kareem's resume even stacks up to his, objectively speaking bar for bar, line for line...but we consistently jump through hoops and minimize basketball to "killer instinct" and team winning when it comes to LeBron, even though he's led more winners as a #1 option than anybody besides Jordan and the evidence has said for years he's one of the most clutch players ever...

Amazing how no one else is subjected to the same flimsy standards, for everyone else, Mike included, the criteria is manipulated to make LeBron appear lesser than he is, instead of objectively holding all GOATs to the same consistency...

That '11 Finals meltdown left an indelible print in the minds eye of people who refuse to acknowledge his career has ever been anything besides that series. All other narratives, from bully ball to unskilled and everything else, are derivative of that series. If he won that year or didn't lose in the fashion of horrible play he did, none of these takes would be as extreme as they are...

Never change, Coliseum, never change. Yall gonna miss this nikka when he hangs em up for good in a few years...

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

I thought he would replace Kobe as my favorite player.

Interesting



Thought you were a true fan of BeanGawd.

 

[ajnapoleon]

Smh

So that's what it is

Lebron dont look like jordan so he is inferior


They was looking for the next jordan while he was playing

With
Harold miner
Grant hill
Penny
Vince


It gave us the horrible I wanna be like mike

Early 2000's

Where everyone wanted to be the man and shoot their teams out of games

The funny part is ....

They never had a pippen Phil Rodman Kerr Paxton the 3 headed centers to absorb 18 fouls

Tex winter
Ron Harper
Toni kukoc

Etc...


They all thought it was Jordan's "will to win" was all it took


Do people really think he would have won of pippen and Rodman went out at the first round or any combo of them?


Or pippen playing on one fractured knee?

Let jordan play those centers like Ewing Zo shaq malone and Kemp without grant and rodman


Who would check those guys?


Jordan right?


Look jordan the goat but damn not everyone gotta play just like him

We all say be who you are right?

 

[H. Selassie]

I think he left a lot on the table that he could have accomplished. Just like Shaq.

He’s gonna finish #1 All-Time in scoring and in all likelihood become the first NBA Player to “lead” 3 different franchises to championships. That’s hardly leaving it on the table.

 

[FreddyCalhoun]

"Lebron peaked at 18....."



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