"if em was black, he'd be the next muhammad ali of the game" - rakim

[IVS]

So if eminem were black he'd be a boxer. I never thought about that. Hmmm

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Be clear, I think Ra was way off base with the Ali comparison or even trying to ride with "If Eminem was black" scenario because again...that changes who HE is by default. Same as I couldn't imagine a white Jay Z with how integral his upbringing is to his story arc as an artist...you couldn't copy and paste those experience onto a white man even if he actually lived them out and get the same output.

But if the question is about influence:

- Love or hate it it, Em's history as a battle MC along with 8 Mile put a huge spotlight on the battle rap culture.

You got cats getting paid in a genre/subset of the art form on a level that was unheard of. It's battle rappers that make more money than nikkas with deals.

- From the mainstream to the underground you can see his influence throughout his run. You got Tyler and Earl who came up off his antics and style respectively. Then you got two of the highest selling and most critically acclaimed artists right now that CLEARLY have Em in their DNA. (Cole, Kendrick) And you can't chalk it up to politics because it's evident.

Last generation cats like Lupe, Game, Fab have all cited him as an influence. Vets like Jay and Masta Ace as well have drawn from what he put out. He's had plenty of influence on how people rap and what they rap about, not so much fashion or the extra shyt.

how do Cole and Kendrick CLEARLY have Em in their DNA? what in particular?

and last I checked it was Masta Ace who influenced Em, not the other way around.
Also, what has Jay drawn from what Em put out besides a feature?

It seems to me you're lowkey trying to rewrite history to fit this erroneous narrative you have going.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Im not even going to bring up J and Nas. What can Em do that Pharoah Monch can't?

I'd also include Elzhi
last album was

anywho, dap + rep

I've been thinking the same thing this entire thread

 

[FreshAIG]

Lyrically Nas the only 1 you named that can be called equal that's fact. Sales have nothing to do with skills so all that was irrelevant to what I said.

Jay is a much better lyricist than Eminem if you go by metaphors and similes. Eminem isn't even in the same stratosphere.

Reasonable Doubt is more lyrical than any Eminem album.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Jay is a much better lyricist than Eminem if you go by metaphors and similes. Eminem isn't even in the same stratosphere.

Reasonable Doubt is more lyrical than any Eminem album.

 

[Soon]

Jay is a much better lyricist than Eminem if you go by metaphors and similes. Eminem isn't even in the same stratosphere.

Reasonable Doubt is more lyrical than any Eminem album.

If you go by metaphors and similes... @ the hoops stans jump through to praise there favorite rapper.

 

[George's Dilemma]

Haven't perused through the whole thread, but imagine if Em was Black for a moment. To be as technically gifted, and have solid subject matter too? He's still a monster in his own right, but if he had subject matter that Black people could relate to? wow.

 

[SunZoo]

how do Cole and Kendrick CLEARLY have Em in their DNA? what in particular?

They've said as much several times. Cole talks about him hanging up Em's lyrics in his bedroom once he decided for sure he was gonna be a rapper. Kendrick talks about him being a big influence as well, and you can hear it in his vocals/lyrics.

and last I checked it was Masta Ace who influenced Em, not the other way around.

“The first time somebody said to me that they thought Eminem sounded like me, I personally didn’t hear that,” Ace explained to Montreality.com. “To me he sounded unique…he sounded like nobody that I had ever heard before.
“We all influence each other,” Ace added. “I listen to many different rappers. And sometimes I hear something in somebody’s flow that gives me an idea for how I wanna flow on my next joint…If it was something he took from me, he flipped it and made it his.” - Masta Ace

Masta Ace Talks Eminem Comparisons

Em was a huge fan of the SlaughtaHouse album and cites Ace as an influence but there is this misconception that he sharked his whole style. The truth is if you listen to both they didn't start sounding that similar until after MMLP dropped and for good reason. Ace out of his own mouth admitted he lifted flows and lines off that album. Case in point:


This sounds like "Stan" and it ain't because Em sounded like Ace on that particular track, it's the other way around.



Peep the opening line.

The influence between Ace and Em goes both ways.

Also, what has Jay drawn from what Em put out besides a feature?

It seems to me you're lowkey trying to rewrite history to fit this erroneous narrative you have going.

Nah, the narrative is on point.

 

[FreshAIG]

If you go by metaphors and similes... @ the hoops stans jump through to praise there favorite rapper.

Yes because that's not one of the biggest factors of lyricism. fukking moron

 

[SunZoo]

If you go by metaphors and similes... @ the hoops stans jump through to praise there favorite rapper.

You have different brands of lyricism. You got rhymers, conversationalists, guys who gravitate toward the more poetic qualities and literary devices.

Em is a better rhymer but he doesn't utilize all of those other aspects of lyricism as well as Jay does. You can still argue who's "better" or your preference between the two but as a huge fan of both, I'll give Jay the edge.

As I said Em is the better rhymer but Jay is far more cerebral.

 

[SunZoo]

I'd also include Elzhi
last album was

anywho, dap + rep

I've been thinking the same thing this entire thread

I just got into Lead Poison last night

shyts crazy.

 

[Soon]

Nah he's right.

You have different brands of lyricism. You got rhymers, conversationalists, guys who gravitate toward the more poetic qualities and literary devices.

Em is a better rhymer but he doesn't utilize all of those other aspects of lyricism that Jay does. You can still argue who's "better" or your preference between the two but as a huge fan of both, I'll give Jay the edge. Em is the better rhymer but Jay is far more cerebral. Prodigy in his prime wasn't a great RHYMER but he was still a dope lyricist, you dig?

conversationalists, guys who gravitate toward...

You guys are just making up stuff up as you go.

 

[FreshAIG]

conversationalists, guys who gravitate toward...

You guys are just making up stuff up as you go.

You're an idiot. There's various types of lyricism. Jay perfected the metaphorical/double meaning rhyming. Eminem perfected the compound rhyming part. Saying one is better than the other is
Merely preference.

Saying Eminem is a better lyricist than Jay is a personal opinion, because you prefer the compound rhyming style that Em, Pun, G Rap, Rakim perfected. If you like metaphors more than Jay, Ras Kass, Vakill, Common are gonna be more in line with who you think are elite lyricist. You're just a moron that doesn't know what lyricism is.

 

[SunZoo]

conversationalists, guys who gravitate toward...

You guys are just making up stuff up as you go.

You're an idiot. There's various types of lyricism. Jay perfected the metaphorical/double meaning rhyming. Eminem perfected the compound rhyming part. Saying one is better than the other is
Merely preference.

Saying Eminem is a better lyricist than Jay is a personal opinion, because you prefer the compound rhyming style that Em, Pun, G Rap, Rakim perfected. If you like metaphors more than Jay, Ras Kass, Vakill, Common are gonna be more in line with who you think are elite lyricist. You're just a moron that doesn't know what lyricism is.

Basically.

There is a clear difference in approach between Crooked I and Lupe Fiasco.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

Jay is a much better lyricist than Eminem if you go by metaphors and similes. Eminem isn't even in the same stratosphere.

Reasonable Doubt is more lyrical than any Eminem album.