"if em was black, he'd be the next muhammad ali of the game" - rakim

[Soon]

There is a clear difference in approach between Crooked I and Lupe Fiasco.

Are you really putting these two in the same sentence?

You see how goofy the conversation can get once we start saying lyricism has different starting points.

 

[SunZoo]

Are you really putting these two in the same sentence?

You see how goofy the conversation can get once we start saying lyricism has different starting points.

What exactly are you trying to say? Why shouldn't they be put in the same sentence?

 

[Sound (∀√a) Maths]

at Rakim.

 

[Soon]

What exactly are you trying to say? Why shouldn't they be put in the same sentence?

Crooked I is nice, but no where on the level of Lupe as far as lyricism.

If we are categorizing people based on what they do best, I can see how you would feel comfortable bring up Lupe and Crooked I in the same conversation.

Even other people bringing up Ras Kass or Common in the same convesaion as Jay is interesting, since Jay admitted he is not even as lyrical as Common or Talib. Jay is nice but no where on the level of Eminem.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Eminem would be Percee P if he was black.

 

[SunZoo]

Crooked I is nice, but no where on the level of Lupe as far as lyricism.

If we are categorizing people based on what they do best, I can see how you would feel comfortable bring up Lupe and Crooked I in the same conversation.

Even other people bringing up Ras Kass or Common in the same convesaion as Jay is interesting, since Jay admitted he is not even as lyrical as Common or Talib. Jay is nice but no where on the level of Eminem.

I brought them up because I admire them as lyricists with two very different brands of lyricism.

I think Lupe is better overall but what happens if you put him and Crook on a track right now? I think his his pace and rhyming ability would have a similar outcome like Jay/Em on renegade.

Jay is fukking brilliant if you ask me, I just think that once you get past a certain point in his discography he gets a little lazy compared to how many words he and layers he was putting down on his first two albums. Em would wash him on a track on some competitive shyt right now and forever really...but don't get it twisted.

 

[ridedolo]

eminem has always been wack and always will be.
rakim is wack is fukk for this stupid shyt. eminems whole career has been a gimmick.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

The difference is effort and application.
Jay-Z is a natural rapper.
Eminem is a "learned" rapper. He's extremely technical but lacks the rhythm and comfort with beats that jay has. He can't float on anything and has to attack at all times.

 

[Soon]

Em would wash him on a track on some competitive shyt right now and forever really...but don't get it twisted.

I'm not getting it twisted, just calling a spade a spade.

Crooked I is not Renegading Lupe or Jay Electronica on a track.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

They've said as much several times. Cole talks about him hanging up Em's lyrics in his bedroom once he decided for sure he was gonna be a rapper. Kendrick talks about him being a big influence as well, and you can hear it in his vocals/lyrics.





“The first time somebody said to me that they thought Eminem sounded like me, I personally didn’t hear that,” Ace explained to Montreality.com. “To me he sounded unique…he sounded like nobody that I had ever heard before.
“We all influence each other,” Ace added. “I listen to many different rappers. And sometimes I hear something in somebody’s flow that gives me an idea for how I wanna flow on my next joint…If it was something he took from me, he flipped it and made it his.” - Masta Ace

Masta Ace Talks Eminem Comparisons

Em was a huge fan of the SlaughtaHouse album and cites Ace as an influence but there is this misconception that he sharked his whole style. The truth is if you listen to both they didn't start sounding that similar until after MMLP dropped and for good reason. Ace out of his own mouth admitted he lifted flows and lines off that album. Case in point:


This sounds like "Stan" and it ain't because Em sounded like Ace on that particular track, it's the other way around.



Peep the opening line.

The influence between Ace and Em goes both ways.





Nah, the narrative is on point.

I don't see what point you're getting at with the Success joint


this is neither her nor there, but have you mentioned in this thread how much the Outsidaz influenced him?

 

[Soon]

The difference is effort and application.
Jay-Z is a natural rapper.
Eminem is a "learned" rapper. He's extremely technical but lacks the rhythm and comfort with beats that jay has. He can't float on anything and has to attack at all times.

You get some of the goofiest arguments when Jay is involved.

 

[Roland Coltrane]

Eminem would be Percee P if he was black.

TechN9NE too maybe

they have very similar fanbases


I was stationed in bumfukk Montana for a year or so and all those trailer trash hicks listen to is Eminem and TechN9NE

matter of fact TechN9NE might have been the only nikka they messed with at the time I was up there


also, TechN9NE fukks underage teenage white girls after his shows when he goes to that part of the country

dude is s shytbag

 

[Roland Coltrane]

@SunZoo I get leery of Eminem and "influence" threads cuz it usually plays out as cacs making it out to be that Eminem is the ONLY "lyrical" cat that could have possibly influenced somebody

Like we know for a fact that J.Cole, Drake, and maybe some others were big fans of Phonte and that kind of thing gets lost in the shuffle when folks are in favor of exaggerating Em's impact and legacy.

it gets annoying as shyt at times when people act like he was the only person to employ multis and that type of wordplay as if he was some kind of revolutionary.

 

[FreshAIG]

I'm not getting it twisted, just calling a spade a spade.

Crooked I is not Renegading Lupe or Jay Electronica on a track.

You're corny. You don't provide any logic to your argument. Someone says something and if you don't agree all you do is

" Y'all nikkas must love such and such. You coming up with new ways to explain shyt"

No dummy, it's called an argument, and usually when people have those, they present their side of it, using the factors that lead them to the conclusion they came to. You on the other hand, just post a goofy ass emoji and call nikkas dikk riders and provide no argument for your opinion. You're very stupid.

 

[mr x]

Some ppl only see that I'm white, ignoring skill
Cause I stand out like green hat with an orange bill
But I don't get pissed, y'all don't even see through the mist
How the fukk can I be white, I don't even exist.

Slim shady was ill

I think that's my favorite dre produced em beat off the top.
There are harder ones, but the bass and drums on this knock.

There might have been a thread about best em dre beats