"if em was black, he'd be the next muhammad ali of the game" - rakim

[Lifer11]

No disrespect to Rakim cause he's very obviously one of the GOATs and pioneers of the game, but I feel like this is his way of discrediting the greats that came after him e.g. Jay, Nas, Big etc.

Eminem is obviously an incredible MC, but Ra has spoken of him multiple times as though he is some otherworldly talent who's lightyears ahead of his competition and that's just not true.

 

[BarackStar]

Jay is a much better lyricist than Eminem if you go by metaphors and similes. Eminem isn't even in the same stratosphere.

Reasonable Doubt is more lyrical than any Eminem album.

The same Jay that been getting renegaded by Kanye fukkin west for a decade now. Beat it jiggawarrior

 

[BarackStar]

Haven't perused through the whole thread, but imagine if Em was Black for a moment. To be as technically gifted, and have solid subject matter too? He's still a monster in his own right, but if he had subject matter that Black people could relate to? wow.

He'd be hands down the goat which is what rakim is saying

 

[BarackStar]

Lupe actually is everything jiggawarriors wish Jay was. The only thing em has cleanly over him is flow. Besides that they both goat tier in all skill categories.

 

[SunZoo]

@SunZoo I get leery of Eminem and "influence" threads cuz it usually plays out as cacs making it out to be that Eminem is the ONLY "lyrical" cat that could have possibly influenced somebody

Like we know for a fact that J.Cole, Drake, and maybe some others were big fans of Phonte and that kind of thing gets lost in the shuffle when folks are in favor of exaggerating Em's impact and legacy.

it gets annoying as shyt at times when people act like he was the only person to employ multis and that type of wordplay as if he was some kind of revolutionary.

I dig but that's not me. As a fan it's annoying that people act like he just showed up, rapped and left no footprint.

I don't see what point you're getting at with the Success joint


this is neither her nor there, but have you mentioned in this thread how much the Outsidaz influenced him?

Jay twisting his lines from MMLP.

Outz def influenced Em a great deal. Redman and Treach as well. I'm not saying he invented rap or anything just that the idea that he hasn't in turn influenced the game is not true.

I'm not getting it twisted, just calling a spade a spade.

Crooked I is not Renegading Lupe or Jay Electronica on a track.

I disagree, and I love Lupe.

I won't say it would be a huge margin but styles make fights as they say, but I respect your opinion.

 

[FreshAIG]

The same Jay that been getting renegaded by Kanye fukkin west for a decade now. Beat it jiggawarrior

We talking about their primes p*ssy ass nikka

 

[BarackStar]

We talking about their primes p*ssy ass nikka

Lol talking tough online wooo

shut up nerd.

 

[George's Dilemma]

Gotta salute @SunZoo . I only fukk with Em up to the MMLP which is a classic to me. After that he lost me, but regardless Sunzoo been schooling brehs on here respectfully, viciously, and with knowledge for a minute. Always appreciate breh's posts. Breh is a fan, but he's fair and I can appreciate that.

 

[B-Mint94]

Gotta salute @SunZoo . I only fukk with Em up to the MMLP which is a classic to me. After that he lost me, but regardless Sunzoo been schooling brehs on here respectfully, viciously, and with knowledge for a minute. Always appreciate breh's posts. Breh is a fan, but he's fair and I can appreciate that.

Hes easily one of the most sensible posters on the booth.

 

[BlackMajik]

Easily one of the most embarrassing and cringeworthy moments in hip hop history

 

[Sauce and Footwork]

Eminem rich as fukk, I don’t feel bad for saying he not even to 20. For every black person that say he trash, there is the majority of white America that say he the greatest. If he want to hear he the best he can listen to they opinions. Eminem not even close to Raekwon Methodman or Ghostface level. I’ll give him top it 100 and that’s it. And I’m not a Eminem hater. I have his first two cds and never had a problem with him outside that one racist track

 

[BulletProof]

Yeah.

He's been pretty consistent about this on and off Aftermath.

Everyone's got a GOAT.

 

[NormanConnors]

Yeah.

He's been pretty consistent about this on and off Aftermath.

Everyone's got a GOAT.

Exactly, real writers know.

 

[Harry B]

Rakim is happy with his life.

The man is always giving props to the stars, youngins and on.

Other than that, every top mc gives big props to Eminem for what he did between 98 and 03. I don't trust anyone's opinion who says he wasn't ill during that period.

 

[Budda]

Rakim gave Em stans a lot of credence with this statement, seen a lot of them use this in their arguments..

Smh