IDF ground invasion of Gaza( Israel killed 2,700+ Palestinians) (Hamas is victorious)

[Max B]

If you cared about this subject you would educate yourself.

I have educated myself..everyone is finding out how evil israel is. Not you guys and your bullshyt propaganda can help this time.

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

1) Egyptian willingness to fukk over Hamas due to their support of MB
2) Saudi relations with Israel being much more intricate than once though
3) Continuing sectarian funding and support in both Syria and Iraq



What are they doing now?

The world has changed. I've met a lot of middle easterners, and not just in the military. The bulk of the ones I met don't pretend sectarian rifts are figments of people's imaginations. Some have even told me they think of Shia as lower than Zionists. Anecdotal of course, but you seem to be painting a picture of a massive military bloc. There isn't even a strong Palestinian unity between Gaza and WB, which is something you yourself have said in this thread.

73 percent of respondents believe that Israel and the US are the two countries presenting the largest threat to the security of the Arab world, with 51 percent believing that Israel is the most threatening, 22 percent believe the US is the most threatening, and 5 percent reporting a belief that Iran is the single country most threatening to the security of their countries. The results on this question vary from one Arab country to another.

84 percent believe the Palestinian cause to be a cause for all Arabs, and not solely a Palestinian issue.

and most (64%) Arabs still feel that Iran has the right to its nuclear program and should not be pressured by the international community to halt it.

http://english.dohainstitute.org/release/5083cf8e-38f8-4e4a-8bc5-fc91660608b0
http://www.brookings.edu/research/reports/2011/11/21-arab-public-opinion-telhami

the ghettoization and imprisonment of Palestinians with the occasional massacre mixed in every few years is not the same as a systematic effort to exterminate them as a people. what is happnening to the Palestinians is a great crime, but it's not the holocaust or Rwanda breh. Arab reaction would be entirely different.

your Wahhabi friends that told you that belong to an entity that has conspired against the Palestinian people since before the Zionist state was officially created. of course they think Shiites are lower than Zionists, they are the Zionists strongest ally in the region.

most Arabs distrust Iran, but most Arabs are smart enough to realize that Iran is the only significant regional player that does not take its orders from the US Embassy.

when Lebanon, the most sectarian country on the planet, was under attack in the south (predominately Shiite areas) by the Zionist war machine, the Sunni, Christian, Druze, Armenian population all came out and declared their support for Hezbollah.

 

[zerozero]

Two significant articles as far as the US Media narrative. NYMag & NYT

Why I Have Become Less Pro-Israel

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/why-i-have-become-less-pro-israel.html

Viewed in this context, the campaign of Israeli air strikes in Gaza becomes a horrifying indictment. It is not just that the unintended deaths of Palestinians is so disproportionate to any corresponding increase in security for the Israeli targets of Hamas’s air strikes. It is not just that Netanyahu is able to identify Hamas’s strategy — to create “telegenically dead Palestinians” — yet still proceeds to give Hamas exactly what it is after. It is that Netanyahu and his coalition have no strategy of their own except endless counterinsurgency against the backdrop of a steadily deteriorating diplomatic position within the world and an inexorable demographic decline. The operation in Gaza is not Netanyahu’s strategy in excess; it is Netanyahu’s strategy in its entirety. The liberal Zionist, two-state vision with which I identify, which once commanded a mainstream position within Israeli political life, has been relegated to a left-wing rump within it.

I don’t mean to overdramatize the change within my own thinking. While less sympathetic to Israel than before, I still find myself far more sympathetic to Israel than to Hamas. I still believe a two-state partition will happen eventually, though the odds are increasing that a catastrophe will be required to bring it about first. I also bitterly attribute the shriveling of the Israeli left to the Palestinian rejectionists who deliberately engineered this very outcome. The change in my thinking is gradational, not transformational. Like many liberal Jews — Roger Cohentoday being one of the latest — I recognize that the facts change, and I have changed my mind.

Zionism and Its Discontents

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/o...onism-and-israels-war-with-hamas-in-gaza.html

I am a Zionist because the story of my forebears convinces me that Jews needed the homeland voted into existence by United Nations Resolution 181 of 1947, calling for the establishment of two states — one Jewish, one Arab — in Mandate Palestine. I am a Zionist who believes in the words of Israel’s founding charter of 1948 declaring that the nascent state would be based “on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel.”

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What I cannot accept, however, is the perversion of Zionism that has seen the inexorable growth of a Messianic Israeli nationalism claiming all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River; that has, for almost a half-century now, produced the systematic oppression of another people in the West Bank; that has led to the steady expansion of Israeli settlements on the very West Bank land of any Palestinian state; that isolates moderate Palestinians like Salam Fayyad in the name of divide-and-rule; that pursues policies that will make it impossible to remain a Jewish and democratic state; that seeks tactical advantage rather than the strategic breakthrough of a two-state peace; that blockades Gaza with 1.8 million people locked in its prison and is then surprised by the periodic eruptions of the inmates; and that responds disproportionately to attack in a way that kills hundreds of children.]/quote]

 

[Malta]

I have educated myself..everyone is finding out how evil israel is. Not you guys and your bullshyt propaganda can help this time.

This shyt is bizarro world really, these dudes defending a country that is actively ethnically cleansing a population, like they aren't the same country that forcibly sterilized African immigrants

 

[the cac mamba]

that isn't factually true.

you know what i meant

did congress sneak in an emergency session before their recess for palestines iron dome?

 

[thekingsmen]

@thekingsmen Are you seriously trying to compare a military using an enemy hostage versus a military using their own people as hostages?

IDF using human shields and blames it on HAMAS.

 

[88m3]

you know what i meant

What you said was incorrect. Are you going to go all kingsmen on me?

 

[Max B]

This shyt is bizarro world really, these dudes defending a country that is actively ethnically cleansing a population, like they aren't the same country that forcibly sterilized African immigrants

Honestly its getting ridiculous..

 

[Max B]

What you said was incorrect. Are you going to go all kingsmen on me?

spin spin spin thats what your good at spinning shyt to another.

 

[88m3]

spin spin spin thats what your good at spinning shyt to another.

It isn't spin, the US government gives aid to Palestine. Your tax dollars are going to Palestine.

 

[Type Username Here]

http://english.dohainstitute.org/release/5083cf8e-38f8-4e4a-8bc5-fc91660608b0
http://www.brookings.edu/research/reports/2011/11/21-arab-public-opinion-telhami

the ghettoization and imprisonment of Palestinians with the occasional massacre mixed in every few years is not the same as a systematic effort to exterminate them as a people. what is happnening to the Palestinians is a great crime, but it's not the holocaust or Rwanda breh.

your Wahhabi friend that told you belongs to an entity that has conspired against the Palestinian people since before the Zionist state was officially created. he is not a representative voice of the Arab world.

most Arabs distrust Iran, but most Arabs are smart enough to realize that Iran is the only significant regional player that does not take its orders from the US Embassy.

when Lebanon, the most sectarian country on the planet was under attack in the south (predomintely Shiite areas) by the Zionist war machine, the Sunni, Christian, Druze, Armenian population all came out and declared their support for Hezbollah.

All great points, but I was speaking about the governments and ruling classes of those countries, and sizable population subgroups in those countries as well. I have no doubt in my mind that there would be a rush by millions of Arabs/Persians in case of a final solution. But numbers are not always the key to winning wars. This isn't man to man in the field anymore, and hasn't been for a long time.

In my opinion, I think Iran has the right to build a nuclear weapon and it would be in the best interest of the population of the US (not the government) for that to occur to offset the Arab Gulf States and Israeli dominance. But I think we would be disingenuous in saying that the Arab Gulf States' governments and portions of their populations don't fear Iranian government getting nuclear weapons. That is just not reality, regardless of the poll . For better or worse, they know the Israelis have had nuclear weapons for decades now, and haven't used them. Iran is unknown.

Since 2011, A LOT has changed in that area of the world, especially regarding Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Libya. The area is fragmented along national and sectarian lines. I think it's clearly obvious now.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Another mosque destroyed (75th one)

 

[FAH1223]

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[newarkhiphop]

Hamas sniper shoots the arm off and kill jew solider



http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Two-soldiers-killed-in-Gaza-368551