IDF ground invasion of Gaza( Israel killed 2,700+ Palestinians) (Hamas is victorious)

[Ritzy Sharon]

All great points, but I was speaking about the governments and ruling classes of those countries, and sizable population subgroups in those countries as well. I have no doubt in my mind that there would be a rush by millions of Arabs/Persians in case of a final solution. But numbers are not always the key to winning wars. This isn't man to man in the field anymore, and hasn't been for a long time.

In my opinion, I think Iran has the right to build a nuclear weapon and it would be in the best interest of the population of the US (not the government) for that to occur to offset the Arab Gulf States and Israeli dominance. But I think we would be disingenuous in saying that the Arab Gulf States' governments and portions of their populations don't fear Iranian government getting nuclear weapons. That is just not reality, regardless of the poll . For better or worse, they know the Israelis have had nuclear weapons for decades now, and haven't used them. Iran is unknown.

Since 2011, A LOT has changed in that area of the world, especially regarding Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Libya. The area is fragmented along national and sectarian lines. I think it's clearly obvious now.

if the Arab uprisings taught us anything, it's things can change fast breh. I think the prospect of genocide of the Palestinians would spark a region wide fire.

that poll was taken long after Sunni-Shiites were killing themselves at a horrendous rate in Iraq, when Iranian-backed militias committed wide scale ethnic cleansing of Sunni neighborhoods. if they were able to see the big picture after that, it's pretty reckless to just assume the majority of Arab opinion would suddenly change their opinion on Iran because of what's occurring in Syria.

speaking of Syria, if the majority of Sunnis supported the rebels (remember, Alawaites are a small minority), Assad would have been bushes status two years ago.

remember, Sunni-Shia sectarian violence is a recent phenomenon, the Palestinian nakba is a tragedy that Arab grandfathers passed down to fathers that passed it down to their sons. the al-Qassam brigades can thank the Iranians for their weapons and their training. don't think that counts for nothing in the Arab world.

 

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if the Arab uprisings taught us anything, it's things can change fast breh. I think the prospect of genocide of the Palestinians would spark a region wide fire.

that poll was taken long after Sunni-Shiites were killing themselves at a horrendous rate in Iraq, when Iranian-backed militias committed wide scale ethnic cleansing of Sunni neighborhoods. if they were able to see the big picture after that, it's pretty reckless to just assume the majority of Arab opinion would suddenly change their opinion on Iran because of what's occurring in Syria.

speaking of Syria, if the majority of Sunnis supported the rebels (remember, Alawaites are a small minority), Assad would have been bushes status two years ago.

remember, Sunni-Shia sectarian violence is a recent phenomenon, the Palestinian nakba is a tragedy that Arab grandfathers passed down to fathers that passed it down to their sons. do you honestly think if the Palestinians were faced with extinction, and the one capable military in region willing to come to the salvation of the Palestinians they would be turned away on some "nah breh, no Shiite allowed" shyt? that's pure insanity breh.

We also can't forget that that prior to 1979, Iran-Israel relations were outstanding. Even post revolution, Iran and Israel traded weapons and oil, and the Iranians were very eager to support Israel's bombing of the Osirak Nuclear reactor. Meanwhile, the Saudis were bankrolling the Iraqis. The Saudis were giving Hussein $1 billion a month out of fear of Iran winning. The US supported Iraq in every way possible while selling arms to the Iranians in the back. A few years later, things got flipped. So things do change, and change quickly, but it's not always the way we expect which is my point.

I just don't see this unity right now. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just saying it doesn't appear that it's some concrete result either.

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

We also can't forget that that prior to 1979, Iran-Israel relations were outstanding. Even post revolution, Iran and Israel traded weapons and oil, and the Iranians were very eager to support Israel's bombing of the Osirak Nuclear reactor. Meanwhile, the Saudis were bankrolling the Iraqis. The Saudis were giving Hussein $1 billion a month out of fear of Iran winning. The US supported Iraq in every way possible while selling arms to the Iranians in the back. A few years later, things got flipped. So things do change, and change quickly, but it's not always the way we expect which is my point.

I just don't see this unity right now. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm just saying it doesn't appear that it's some concrete result either.

I wish there were an accurate analogy I can make in the American context, but none exists. Palestine cuts to the heart of practically every Arab breh, their inability to liberate them is a representation of Arab failure as a whole, which goes back all the way to the Seige of Baghdad by the Mongols in 1258. if they were actually threatened with extinction, any Arab leader that wouldn't stand with the Palestinians wouldn't be a leader for very long. I have no doubt about that.

 

[Kritic]

Simple question, can they leave the country?

 

[Malta]

What you said was incorrect. Are you going to go all kingsmen on me?

Well, since you didn't want to answer the question, Palestinians cannot leave

 

[Malta]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-buffer-zone-gaza-shrinks-by-40-per-cent.html

 

[88m3]

Well, since you didn't want to answer the question, Palestinians cannot leave

Sorry I took the train home then went out to dinner instead.

 

[Malta]

Sorry I took the train home then went out to dinner instead.

You seem to have gotten back to @Somalilander pretty quickly and just skirted over the question though

 

[88m3]

You seem to have gotten back to @Somalilander pretty quickly and just skirted over the question though

The train was running local, the S4 needed gas, my stomach needed Mexican. Answering emails for work right now but I'll get back to you.

 

[Malta]

The train was running local, the S4 needed gas, my stomach needed Mexican. Answering emails for work right now but I'll get back to you.

:Guidedtoislam:

 

[88m3]

:Guidedtoislam:

 

[zerozero]

John Legend mad brehs

 

[wingzboy]

John Legend mad brehs

Israel is used to getting it's dikk sucked by America. Nothing unusual here. We support them in every way imaginable and they return this with contemptuous treatment.

 

[FAH1223]

Argentina is supposedly revoking citizenship for those who serve in the IDF. Can't find a confirmed source yet.

 

[thekingsmen]

What you said was incorrect. Are you going to go all kingsmen on me?

Provide facts and exposing you for trolling...sure @the cac mamba can do that