IDF ground invasion of Gaza( Israel killed 2,700+ Palestinians) (Hamas is victorious)

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ThaRealness said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagers#Possible_perpetrators

Seems pretty likely that Hamas was behind it:manny:

I respect what youre saying but keep in mind that Israel has become a fear based political state. It's hard to be the bigger man and show civility when you're landlocked by your enemies. Israel isnt in a position to take chances, especially without a long term solution in sight.
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Why was there a gag order on the investigations then? If you heard the quick sneak peak of the audio of the boys calling, you would know the man in the background yelling at the boys to get off the phone is speaking Hebrew, not Arabic. You let me know how many Hamas member speaks Hebrew?
 
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Did they make up the shyt about capturing the IDF soldier or is Israel refusing to confirm?
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I think they confirmed him dead awhile back but the family was holding out hope he's still alive.

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How do we benefit from our relationship with Israel? It seems very one sided. We give them 4 billion a year in money that is forgiven, not paid back. I just....don't see how it causes anything but trouble for you.

Welcome to any responses, except from that c00n who I put on ignore. I can only assume he's the one you're in conversation with on this page, as I dont see you talking to anyone else. I would prefer a non brainwashed fukk boy answer.
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It's a "strategic" relationship, whatever that's suppose to mean. :ld:
 
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Mikey2Toes said:
How do we benefit from our relationship with Israel? It seems very one sided. We give them 4 billion a year in money that is forgiven, not paid back. I just....don't see how it causes anything but trouble for you.
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Some of the reasons from the pro-Israel side:

1) Israel provides intelligence to the US at a staggering rate
2) Israel is the front-line of defense in the region
3) Israel is the only true functional democracy and secular state in the region
4) Shared values and histories between Israeli Jews/American Jews, who are often both at the same time
5) Only true ally in the region
6) Israel helps combat the spread of militant Islam
7) Israel is a natural enemy of Iran
8) Israel has been in a strategic position to take down targets in Iraq and Iran
 
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Some of the reasons from the pro-Israel side:

1) Israel provides intelligence to the US at a staggering rate (also steals intel from us and also has terror attacked one of our ships USS Liberty)
2) Israel is the front-line of defense in the region (against whom? and what quality defense is that got smoked by Hezbollah and it seems now Hamas is giving them probs)
3) Israel is the only true functional democracy and secular state in the region (only revelant to spreading western hegemony)
4) Shared values and histories between Israeli Jews/American Jews, who are often both at the same time (meaning there 1st loyalty is to Israel not the USA)
5) Only true ally in the region (With saudi and egypt on the take what does it matter)
6) Israel helps combat the spread of militant Islam (they seem to be inflaming it. What are they doing to stop it)
7) Israel is a natural enemy of Iran (Iran is Israel enemy not ours)
8) Israel has been in a strategic position to take down targets in Iraq and Iran ( i dont think they assisted in either Iraq war. Neither affects american national security)
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thekingsmen said:
The problem is talking to people like yourself is that you create a narrative to fit the effect and not the cause. How did Hitler get into power? Who financed him? Who got rich before and after the Holocaust and WW2? Without knowing the facts around certain events, people tend to jump to whatever fits the talking points all they want.
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Im just assuming that anti semitism is a given. The holocaust wasn't an isolated incident. That kind of shyt has happened under very different economic, political and social circumstances.

The way I see it, the situation is defined through a paradigm - Any social group without a political home base won't have the infrastructure to combat persecution. This is self evident, in my opinion. All that matters in politics is money, power and alliances.
Either you decline the premise of that, or accept that the creation of a Jewish state was necessary.

You still haven't stated your opinion.. All youve done is dismiss my posts as rhetoric and then try to go down the rabbit hole that is modern Israeli politics... which has nothing to do with our discussion.

Are you saying that the defeat of the Nazi's marked the end of Jewish persecution? Explain yaself
 
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